most of the people I know had the same reaction. a kind of sad numbness and sense of unreality

Not worth your breath. They only watch Fox news (which has called him out). They say something like "I never heard that" or "fake news". Fox is always right, but the other half a dozen is wrong? How about how he tried to allow people with mental illness to get firearms? How about the hearing protection act he implied? A silencer is around $700 (give or take). Ear plugs are less than a dollar.

@TheGreatShadow I don't think he "tried" on the people with mental illness/firearms issue. I think that was a go early in the administration

He is indeed! I remember waking up the morning that he was elected and thinking this is got to be a joke right?

In what way?

@moNOtheist Well 1 way is the Korean situation. Trump has made more progress with them than any other president in history.
2 The Economy is booming thanks to his deregulations.
That's 2 of a long list

@gater

1. Trump came away with even less than earlier agreements, having announced the suspension of joint US-South Korean military exercises (which North Korea has tried to fennagle for years, and a move which also fits very well with the geostrategic aims of both China and Russia). There is no evidence of any moves on the part of North Korea to denuclearize (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/21/no-sign-of-north-korea-dismantling-nuclear-weapons-mattis-admits), and why should they? It was only the possession of nuclear devices that granted Kim Jong Un a place on the world stage, the photo-op with the US president, and the resultant legitimization as a global power (again, something that the dynasty there has for years tried to somehow arrange). In the process, Trump went out of his way to compliment - and, again, legitimize - a callous dictator who routinely brutalizes his own people through starvation, internment and torture, and execution.

2. On what evidence is the economy "booming"?

3. The rest of this "long list"?

@moNOtheist You are clearly in denial, and you aren't worth my time

@gater LOL

I'm in denial? Seriously? LOL

Why not try, if only just this once, to provide something approaching evidence either to counter my argument or back up your one-line assertions that The Donald is doing such a bang-up job?

It's easy. Explain in what way the North Korea summit was the success you say it was, and produce a few facts to show how fabulously well the economy is performing.

Oh, and add a few more to that long list of Trumpian successes you mentioned.

It's not difficult.

@gater No you misread the situtation with North Korea. They will not denuclearise, they will believe they now have a mandate to continue their despotic regime. They will become another factory to produce cheap western goods making China obsolete and human rights will be not improve.
The economy will crash because it is not based on a sustainable business plan; it doesn't need to be. Trump doesn't care about American people, he cares about him. If he can create a fake hothoused economy during his term thats all he wants.
Seeing those babies ripped from their Mums was just inhuman. You guys deserve better.

Trumps approval rating keeps rising, eventually some of the knuckleheads in this room might come around too.

@gater Don't hold your breath.

@gater It doesn't just rise, it falls a lot too. Approval always wobbles. His wobbles at lower numbers so not sure it matters.