I understand your point but I believe the quote had more to do with questioning the inconsistencies and contradictions around the belief that god exists in the first place. The attributes with which a god is endowed can't simultaneously exist. A god that has the power to prevent evil but doesn't is in conflict with the benevolence with which that god is supposedly endowed... and is summarily dismissed with BS rationales about God's will

@TheoryNumber3 lol that is one way to see it, another way is to see it as an imperfect argument if that's what he was trying to say, since it has the loophole i mentioned.

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I don't know... but it sounds intriguing

He did. I found it.

Lex Luthor: See, what we call God depends upon our tribe, Clark Jo, 'cause God is tribal. God takes sides. No man in the sky intervened when I was a boy to deliver me from Daddy's fist and abominations. I figured out way back if God is all-powerful, He cannot be all good.

@TheoryNumber3 And if He is all good, then He cannot be all-powerful.

I think that was the whole point of the quote... that the whole idea of a god is ridiculous

@TheoryNumber3 Yeah I know, I was just being sarky about the discuss bit

@ipdg77 No offense taken. I totally agree. Things go well, god gets the credit. Things go badly, god gets a pass. Nice deal if you can pull it off.

@TheoryNumber3 That was one of the first things I remember not making sense when I was at primary school, god gets the credit for the good but takes none of the blame for the bad. How does that work then? I gave up waiting for an answer a long time ago

@ipdg77 I never had religion in my life and never missed it. Someone asked me once how I knew what kind of person to be without the bible. I told her I know the difference between right and wrong. I don't need a book of instructions.

Who doesn't love George? He plows through BS like nobody else ever could.

I think the whole point is that he doesn't. And I would find it challenging to believe that things are as they ought to be. Especially now. If this is what "god" intended, he's a psychopath and a sadist.

@TheoryNumber3 What things are there about the universe that you have judged to be incorrect?

@WilliamFleming Poverty, disease, greed, racism, bullying, subjugation of women, mistreatment of animals, destruction of the environment, corruption in government, organized crime, rape, cancer, war, man's inhumanity to man, shall I continue?

@TheoryNumber3 All of those things are about competition among various life-forms or bodies, and competition is both necessary and desirable. Without a competitive environment no evolutionary progress would have ever been made. Check your birth contract and you’ll find no mention that life will be easy or fair or peaceful or abundant.

You left out such things as tsunamis, earthquakes, and strikes by asteroids.Supposedly if God exists she should prevent such things, aye? But not so fast. I lean heavily toward the idea of universal consciousness in which we all share. In this model human bodies are mere robots, unaware and expendable. Consciousness likes having a river of organisms with which to interact but the life of single organisms is of little concern. Even if some cataclysmic event wiped out all life it would be of little concern—life arises anew. A lapse of a trillion years would seem instantaneous from the perspective of consciousness itself.

No need to ask for proof since I don’t have one. It’s just an idea which resolves the issue.

@WilliamFleming With that attitude, I might as well just shoot myself in the head right now.

@TheoryNumber3 If you did, from a cosmic perspective it would be of no significance. However, your family and friends would be devastated. Please don’t do it.

@WilliamFleming Well you basically said that each individual is of no significance. I can't buy into that

@TheoryNumber3 It’s only because the sense of self as a separate, bodily being is an illusion. Collectively we are of great significance. The Implications of our conscious existence are absolutely staggering in their significance. That’s how I see it anyway.

@TheoryNumber3 As far as nature and the universe is concerned, nothing has any significance. Neither is aware of your existence and could not care any less. They just mindlessly do what they do according to the laws that govern both.

@jlynn37 I don't know.... None of us know. I like to think that we're all part of a common consciousness, although sharing a consciousness with some people doesn't appeal to me. I won't mention names. I'll just look in the direction of Washington D.C.

@TheoryNumber3 You are correct in saying that none of us know. It only takes observing reality and how the universe and nature works and functions to realize what I have stated is the best conclusion. Just my opinion of course.

@jlynn37 I feel good about that statement. We really don’t know. We have opinions, not knowledge.

There is something inexplicable and awe inspiring about consciousness and deep awareness. The fact that we know we exist gives it all meaning somehow, at least to me.

@jlynn37 But again, we are part of nature and the universe, and, as Carl Sagan said, we are all made of star stuff. So I have to contradict you on that point.

@TheoryNumber3 Be my guest my dear. You do you and I do me. I have no problem with that.

My pleasure

For the benefit of those who believe it exists

I'm glad you posted that. I have been saying for years that we live in a binary world... That you cannot have good without evil, wealth without poverty, sickness without health, and particularly, nothing without something..... which is the problem I have with the Big Bang Theory by the way

@TheoryNumber3 listen to more of Alan Watts.

@TheoryNumber3 read the 12 universal laws too, watch the Matrix trilogy.
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@HeyHiHullo That video was absolutely fascinating. The concept totally makes sense. The analogy to the motion picture film was stunning. I will watch it again later (without interruptions) when I have a more time . I will also look at the 12 universal laws. Thank you very much for the recommendations!!! Good stuff!