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should atheist know and should have read the religious books in all its contexts before questioning religious beliefs?

Srijith 7 Dec 29
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Sorry Srijith, but that's silly. To me, that's like insisting that I read about unicorn, dragon, and leprechauns before deciding that they don't exist.

I only question the beliefs of people when those beliefs do harm to others such as when religion is used to justify racism, misogyny, bigotry, and violence.

Most Christians don't even seem to know much about what's in their own Bible, but instead rely on pastors, preachers, the internet, and other people (who also don't know much about the Bible).

Unless someone can provide empirical evidence that a god exists then the religious text based around that god can be dismissed as fiction.

I disagree with the premise here. To dismiss claims outright simply because they seem farfetched...does that remind you of anything? "The world is round? Sorry but that sounds outlandish, hence I dismiss it without due diligence".

If you had absolutely no context, how would you outright know unicorns don't exist? Are they so outlandish compared to a myriad of other arguably even more mystifying animals that actually exist?

Thank you for sharing your opinion.

I believe that I can dismiss an idea if there is an overwhelming lack of evidence. I'll gladly reassess by views on unicorns if you were to bring me some compelling evidence that they do indeed exist. Otherwise, I feel no need to waste my time pondering the existence of unicorns.

Sure, there are unusual creatures on the Earth and maybe beyond that I may not be aware of, but I'm not denying that they exist. If you simply tell me that flying turtles exist I won't believe you. If scientists discover a species of flying turtles on a remote island that had never been explored then I'd reconsider after getting a bit more information.

But, the burden of proof is on you or someone else (in this silly example) not on me. In the history of the world there has been no substantial evidence whatsoever that supports the existence of any gods. Logically thinking, it seems overwhelmingly unlikely that any gods exist.

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Totally unnecessary, maybe they could read some of them for interest, shits and giggles and so on. But there is noting in the that an atheist (or anybody) needs to know.

Thank you for the reply.

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Why should we especially when most people who call themselves Christian don't?

Because you miss out on a lot of what drives our culture, good and bad. You miss nearly all of Joyce, and most of Tolkien if you have no acquaintance with the King James. Joan Didion's Slouching Toward Bethlehem means less if you don't know the background to Dover Beach. These are merely obvious (although influential) examples. Christianity pervades the entire of Western culture. Not understanding it leaves you unable to defend and change that culture, or even see why that might be necessary.

@realdancermn I agree with you. Most atheist that I know is more familiar with the Bible than "true" Christians. The reason why I answered it the way I did is what I see as the obvious; Christians apparently don't know their Holy Book. As for me, I have read it back to back, which is probably one of the many reasons why I am an atheist. Too many contradictions and questions of the character's morality.

One way of looking at it. Thanks for your reply.

@realdancermn In part, but I also find that access to the bulk of metaphor and allusion used in western writing simply makes my life richer.

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Do you think someone should read everything about fairies or uni horns before not believing in them?

Thank you for the reply

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I did read some religious books. They have some violent quotes. About killing children, about beating and killing wives, about " people should be dead of they don't follow this, other religions are inferior to theirs and they should kill them who doesn't follow their belief.

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I think once you understand the nature of faith, the particular tenets of faith aren't especially important. I do think there's value in knowing what the religions preach and what people believe and value, but I don't think it's necessary in order to draw broad conclusions when you understand the basics and see the patterns. Otherwise nobody but theology experts could ever have an opinion, which I don't think should be a requirement.

Thank you.

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Belief in anything supernatural is questionable in its own right. Therefor, any religion that includes the supernatural in it structure is open to question without the slightest knowledge of any of its minutiae. However, if one wants to argue elements of any religion, a certain amount of knowledge is desirable.

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No, the point of a belief is that the burden of truth is on the believer not everyone else. They can try to convince using proof, you shouldn’t have to read their views to disprove or prove anything, it’s on them

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It is not enough to simply hold a position. One must have the ability and courage to explain why, no matter what side you are on. Otherwise, how can anyone take your position seriously?

Ok. Thank you for the reply.

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You don't have to know anything to ask questions. I think that's one of our failings. We don't ask enough questions.

Thank you for the opinion

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Yes. All religious text. Not just the prominent religion in one's own region.

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No. Atheism doesn’t require familiarity with dogma, but it’s best to know something about the thing you disagree with.

Thanks for your reply

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I believe reading the religious texts is useful if you're still making up your mind. You ask as an atheist so what good would it do? The Bible has a few good sayings just like Shakespeare does but what you have to wade through to get those tidbits just wouldn't be worth the effort.

gearl Level 8 Dec 29, 2017

Thank you.

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"Know thy enemy better than you know thyself"?

That's great. Thank you for the reply

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I was raised being allowed to select my own belief systems. At the age of 10, I asked my parents to explain religion, rather than attempt to do so, they granted me the opportunity to explore as many faiths as I desired. I went to Churches, Synagogues, Temples etc with people of these religions, I heard from their own perspective why they hold these ideas. It was a very important part of my development as a critical thinker. How can you truly know light if you have never seen darkness? There is no harm in examining these belief systems and it can offer context and insight into others..

Thank you for sharing your view point and experience.

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How could we? Usually, someone’s more than happy to cram that shit down our throats. It’s like all you gotta hear is ‘god said’ ... before you know it’s built on myth, and only good for starting fires or wiping butts...

It’s occasionally entertaining to question a street preacher, then watch him (why’s it almost always a ‘him?’ ) scramble through a ‘holy book’ to ‘find an answer.’ I have enjoyed listening to some serious back & forth between a pusher, and someone once having been pushed, someone who can instantly rebut with the ‘relevant tracts.’ It quickly gets down to interpretation ..then seriously off the rails ~

Varn Level 8 Dec 29, 2017

Thank you for the input.

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I think it is a good thing to have at least some knowledge of different religious beliefs; but, that is not necessary to simply not believe in a god, or other supernatural phenomena. One can question all beliefs that are based on the supernatural without any need to know the specifics about what someone believes.

Thank you for the comment.

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I wouldn't say atheists must have read the bible to 'qualify' to talk about it - after all, many christians haven't read it either.

For all people, however, speaking from a position of knowledge is better than speaking from a position of ignorance.

Thank you

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No! It's just common sense.
Do you think religious people would be willing to listen to the arguments of athiests? No!

That's a way of looking at it. Thank you.

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No.

Thanks for your reply

You're welcome.

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I have in my own personal library for reference the following religious literature :-The New Oxford Annotated Bible with Apocrypha (one of the best English translations) / The Five Gospels 'The Search for the Authentic Words of Jesus' by the Jesus Seminar / The Book of Psalms ( from the Bible) / The Book of Proverbs (from the Bible) / the Tao Te Ching / The Upanishads / And I also have my mothers New Testament and Psalms which was given to her in 1939. It has notes and markings in it by her own handwriting. An interesting collection in an Atheists personal library.

You're loaded for Bear 😉

Thank you for the reply.

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No. No need whatsoever.

I have been an atheist since birth. I was brought up to question everything and not to take anything a face value. The idea of supernatural never made sense to me and the fairy tales we were told at primary school were just that - fairy stories. I loved the tales of Greek and Roman gods, Norse mythology and was fascinated at how ancient civilisations tried to rationalise their world and explain the unknown. Then was told that the Christian gos was different. How?

I don't need to know lots about different world religions to not believe in their deities. If they want me to believe in their deity, they need to present their argument and back it up with evidence. If their god has any effect on the world then there should be evidence of it. If it doesn't have an effect then it is indistinguishable from no god.

That is not to say that the tenets of their belief are harmful - until recently I thought that Buddhism was a harmless and benign religion and for the most part it is. It is not my job to prove their god does not exist, if they want me to believe, they have the burden of proof. I will only question their beliefs when they try to assert that they are true.

Seems we’ve been at it for the same length of time, United Kingdom. Well said!

Thanks for the nice reply

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I am not sure. Still, one does need to understand an ideology to fully know why it is to be rejected.

Thank you

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When I became an adult, I knew Christianity wasn’t a good fit for me, but I just thought I needed to find the right religion. I started looking into other beliefs, but it doesn’t take long to find they’re BS if you were not raised believing in them from when you’re a child.

Yes. Thank you for the reply

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I did because I had no choice growing up with my mother. I had to go along with whatever she was into. It funny because while I went to church with her the church wasn't encouraging everyone to read the whole Bible. I just got curious and read the Bible, when I left the church, 3/4 times. I didn't this because it was boring and it didn't make a lot of sense. I finally realized that it was a controlling mechanism based on folklore. I then researched more in my college World History course and travelled to England, UK to study where religion originated from at the V&A Museum and the British Museum. It's all man-made. It was all made up. I told this to my mom and she just won't hear me.

So to answer your question, you're on the right track my friend. Religion is a fairytale built on lies tearing up this world.

I think everyone should know what's in the Bible to know how to properly debate a Christian or religious person. Education is power and you can always beat your opponent by knowing what they know AND more.

Thanks for sharing your experience.

@Srijith my pleasure

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