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Utopia?

HippieChick58 9 July 22
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yes...the "Leave it to Beaver" era...What I wouldn't give to live the "Ward Cleaver" life...And come home at 5PM to June's home cooking...I am fortunate, I do get a pension in 4 years, but it has been a brow beating 13 hours a day for 28 years to get there.

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Assuming this lifestyle is desired, what kind of societal engineering would it take to make the single-income homeowner with a pension a reality? What would need to occur in order to really ‘make America great again’ not for whites only, but for all?

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Utopia was a Todd Rundgren fronted prog rock band from the 1970's.

Even those days had their trials and tribulations, but at least everyone could afford to live.

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Those days of the land of plenty are gone and they are not coming back. 325 million is a lot and the resources are the same. Tough choices ahead for all countries in the world, not just USA. Life has gotten tougher for everyone and won't get easier, we must change, re-invent ourselves. (Edit, typo on the figure)

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So sad and true.

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If one posted a photo of a Southern Plantation in the 1700's and showed their lifestyle, minus the slave huts in the background...is that an extension of the same thing?

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Did the quest for equality affect this?
Were low wage workers and oppressed minorities footing the bill for this Utopia in the 1950's?

Good point.

Not where I lived. In Chicago most people, including minorities, had over minimum wage jobs also a highly unionized work force.

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Times change. Now we want stuff.

...and more stuff, and even more stuff. I wish I'd invested in storage units 40 years ago.

@Condor5 And most of it is made in China. Maybe that is actually a good thing to Trump's tariff war. We won't be able to afford as much stuff and life will be better.

@rogueflyer funny, I was thinking along the same lines.?

@Condor5 George Carlin's daughter said his father was high 90% of the time. Yet he is so quick! I don't know how he did it. This is his comment on "stuff". .

@rogueflyer still on point, still relevant. The guy was a comic genius. That reminds me of a couple of trips I took on the commuter train from Ventura County to downtown L.A. several years ago. Riding along in the train, you skirt almost endless housing developments, whose backyards you can see quite well. Many, probably well over half, of those backyards were filled with, you guessed it, "stuff."

@rogueflyer In the 50's and early 60's it was Japan that sent cheap shit here, part of our helping them back to prosperity. Look what happened!

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This was mostly back during the Eisenhower years, give or take a few on either side, I'd say. But even during those years, with 3 kids, wife, horses, various other animals, a 1/4 acre with 2 houses to keep up, it seemed like my father was always working 2 jobs, one at GM. I don't know, maybe he just liked to work-or may be he just wanted to be away from us. (Don't really think it was the latter as he was a good dad)

I think a lot of people spent a lot of time working, hoping to get ahead... and most who diddo that found at the end of their life that ecasue they spent most of their time working, they didnt' realy enjoy their life.

@snytiger6 I agree with you, to an extent, but my father was a curious guy and seemed to like to stay busy, to keep his mind occupied. He was never ambitious in the "get rich" sort of way, though. He definitely enjoyed life, or at least never railed against it, or thought it unfair, that I recall.

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