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So something has been bothering me the past couple of days. I am polyamorous and date outside of my marriage...as such, my profile indicates that I am open to meeting men. But I don't like jumping into things. I prefer getting to know someone on a friend level and then, if there is chemistry and it makes sense for both, transitioning into dating...and if it doesn't transition past friendship, I have still made a friend. I feel like there is a lot of time and effort that goes into dating only to find out we aren't as compatible as we had hoped. Forging friendships eliminates a lot of that wasted time and energy feeling and is less stressful as a whole. Recently I was told that this is a manipulative practice and that I am a manipulative person for behaving in this manner. Try as I might, I just don't see it. I'm always upfront and honest about my situation and preferences in dating. Thoughts?

AdorkableMe 7 July 24
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I am very upfront in any type of getting to know you situation. I make it clear at the get-go sex is off the table until we get to know each other. That really puts the kibosh on a lot of nonsense but not until I go through at least two weeks of being told that's not fair, I'm being manipulative, I'm being unrealistic, nobody wants to get to know me for myself. And it really goes downhill from there. Normally they end up blocked. Fortunately I have an experience that here. That's not to say it won't happen but it hasn't happened yet.

I will keep my fingers crossed that here is the one place you can avoid it! (Not holding my breath though. Lol.)

Male entitlement feelings are simply in denial of the huge need for trust and safety with women. ....only 2 weeks of getting acquainted and some jerk claims HE's manipulated? ?? My generation comes from months if not years of courtship friendship and "dating".....pleasure bonding is unavoidable unless people are stoned drunk or psychotic unaware of their body endocrinology

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If you are upfront and honest it is anything but manipulative in intent.
Now there are some that will see openness and honesty as a complete acceptance because it isn't really very common. However you can't control what people's perception of you is beyond what you are doing and telling them. Interpretation matters but unfortunately you can't really control or sway that.

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Wow , this was an education .

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Not sure if this is too obvious as just a year ago I didn't get the concept, erroneously believing it was mainly about casual sex, sort of just a new word for swinging. My understanding now is that it is generally less casual and deeper than that, sort of like having multiple wives or husbands, but without the marriage part. But I could see how some might be too thick-headed to be able to grasp the subtlety of the concept, and how others just have not yet wrapped their heads around the idea.

Yes, poly isn't about casual sex or swinging, it is about dedicated long term relationships. In this case the other individual is poly as well. I'm kind of stumped!

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Does polyamorous mean your spouse knows about your other mates? I insist my girlfriend have other men, I meet them, we go to dinner they are friends/guests in my house. I have lady friends that drop by too and she meets them and watches us.

polyamorous basically means many loves...so I don't engage in swinging or casual sex but do look to build meaningful, loving, long term relationships...and yes, my husband knows and supports me in my quest.

@AdorkableMe ok thanks

@Anonbene You're Welcome! ?

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Strongly agree with you. On all of this. Based on the information given, this is a big glass of haterade in which they can go drown their opinions. I've always felt the strongest relationships were forged out of the exact same things as well-maintained friendships, and isn't the person you're in love with supposed to be one of your best friends and closest confidants? The idea of separating relationships from the companionship model is like spreading peanut butter on your hands and calling it a sandwich.

Spreading peanut butter on your hands is a damn mess...or alternately some dogs ultimate fantasy!! ???

@AdorkableMe I have like six responses and they're all varying degrees of completely inappropriate. Congratulations, you rendered me speechless for over a minute.

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I've made many friends (and a fair share of enemies) from people I dated once or twice, things didn't click, and we still hung out and talked occasionally.

If someone is saying that before they even met you, they're the one being manipulative. You're under no obligation to sleep with someone (or even continue to talk to them) if there's no "there" there.

Ozman Level 7 July 24, 2018

Yes, just because we may not be romantically compatible for whatever reason(s) does not mean that I do not see value in them.

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you're being gaslighted (or is it gaslite)

Lukian Level 8 July 24, 2018

It's possible I guess. I would like to think that he is a better person that that, just very misguided about some things.

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Your approach leads to a sane personality.

Looks can be deceiving. Lol. ??

@AdorkableMe I didn't mean to give a false impression. You don't look sane. 😉

@AstralSmoke Hahaha. why does everyone always say that??? ??

@AdorkableMe Humm, Do you always say "looks can be deceiving"?

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I can’t fathom a polyamorous relationship! Beyond that, it seems you’re making no promises and being open!

Yes, it certainly isn't for everyone. I just find I'm more happy when I have more than one person to give love. ?

@AdorkableMe happiness is the ultimate goal ?

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You are fine and not manipulative. I think the other person has the difficulty. If what they want and need is to move fast, that's fine, but it's also fine that their particular style is not for you. For them to pressure you is a dick move.

ejbman Level 7 July 24, 2018

Thank you. I think manipulation implies an intended attempt to deceive, which I am not. My best guess is they have been burnt by past "friend" situations and are now jaded towards that approach.

@AdorkableMe I'm tempted to launch into a soapbox about "friendzone" and "incel" and why all that is creepy and rapey, but that's probably too big a can of worms to open here. In short, I just wish everyone would be up-front about what they need (as you seem to be), and not waste others' time and patience. If they are in a hurry and don't have time to be friends, OK fine, some people need to get down to business. That's valid, but just say so! And let yourself be weeded out by people who need something different. Trying to pretend you are not that person and then berating someone else for failing to be what you need is... well, I already said it... a dick move. Pardon me if I'm confronting you with my own anger about YOUR situation, but it does piss me off when jerks ruin it for everyone.

As a potential tool for you, and I have no idea if this is accurate for you or helpful - and you shouldn't have to use it, but if it's there...- have you considered identifying as "demisexual"? Some folks I have met recently point out that it helps them weed out dicks, and emphasizes the point that they are more into connection then brown-chicken-brown-cow out of the gate.

@ejbman That is a good idea. I do identify as demisexual. I hadn't thought to include it in my bio. Thank you for the sage advice, I do appreciate it! ??

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Are you a good climber? It sounds like the person that said it was manipulative is building a fence for you to climb. Are you both belief compatible?

We are belief compatible but I'm not a big fan of heights. Lol. ?

@AdorkableMe It sounds like he still has a lot of Christian moral pulchritude driving him.

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Can't offer much of advice I was a Cheater on my marriage but I never had a mistress, always knew the consequences, so I accepted what happened. I am one of those better at goodbye than hello... the perfect ex. Don't let anyone get you down. We are not born equals... each of us is different. If you are True with your husband and you both understand "There is only one life to live as the one we got right now... You have to live it to the fullest of your capabilities as you feel fit". Sure that the individual that called you manipulative is a manipulative person... Just be True to Yourself and enjoy your life. If your heart can take it... and you are at peace with yourself... IT IS YOUR LIFE AND YOURS ONLY. Nobody will ever own you and you will never own anyone. Peace!

Thank you. Poly is sometimes hard on my heart but I still feel like the rewards outweigh the negatives. My husband and I have been married for 15 years and I have been poly for 6? 7? Years. He had remained monogamous and has just ventured out into the poly world in the last year. It can be tough, but we have been able to make it work. We are honest, communicative, understanding and not prone to jealousy which makes a huge difference in successful polyamory.

Life is too short to be anything but happy. ??

@AdorkableMe And we both know that you and him are of the lucky ones that found that code so difficult to handle in our hearts and we both know not every human we ever meet will understand those few with a heart that can Love at its most purest form and have nothing to do with being in love with one person only. Live your life... I salute you guys.

@GipsyOfNewSpain Thank you! Now if the rest of the world could just see it in that manner!! ???

There will be No need for Dating Sites or Marriage Counselors. Peace!

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How is being open and honest about your marriage and your desires for further friendship, and possible dating beyond that, "manipulative" in any way? It sounds like someone wanted more from you than you were ready for, got jealous, and decided that it was your fault for not reciprocating.

Too many men think that "open to meeting" is the same thing as "guaranteed to have sex". Well, guys, it's not.... any more than my being open to meeting women means that I'm going to hop into bed with anyone who messages me and comes out to dinner. (Although, let's be realistic, AdorkableMe has a lot better odds of someone wanting that than I do.)

You keep doing what you're doing. A lot of people still don't understand and aren't equipped to handle poly relationships. Honestly, I would probably be one of them, although in an ideal world I would give it a try if the right people came along.

Good luck 🙂

Oh, I doubt my odds are any higher but it is kind of you to say! ?

Like everything else poly has its advantages and disadvantages. Good communication goes a long way in polyamory, but it definitely isn't for everyone! ?

Thank you and good luck to you as well!! ?

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