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Personally, I think Hobbes had it down. People need to give up rights to achieve peace. The question then, if that's accepted is; give up what to ? . All Hobbes had to work with was a monarch. Is giving up rights to a republic coopted by capital interests any better?

travelerx2 6 July 24
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This sounds a little like an attempt at rewording/recontextualizing the sliding scale spectrum of liberty and security. To gain security, one must give up freedom. Which is a fine and noble principle when the idea of compromise is being honored by all parties involved. But if the power system is trying to take liberties part and parcel in the name of security and offering nothing else in return, then this is not in the spirit of compromise, it's in the spirit of tyranny and unimpeded control.

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People need to give up rights? Are you perhaps conflating 'rights' with 'privilege?' If so, I might be persuaded to consider your argument. Can you provide the Hobbesian reference to support your premise? I could not find it. Your final sentence is fodder for another discussion.

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In the "my rights end where yours begin" kind of way?

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You wanna go to a Prison and Preach that? They are going to show you a kind of Peace as you never seen.

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