Just imagine the depths of embarrassment if she was chosen to represent our kind on an alien planet.

Walking away was the right move. You never win trying to have a logical debate with an idiot!

I've spoked with a few people that claim Baptist as their faith so I link that belief about "believing" without having to do good works to the Baptists. I've been told doing good things doesn't get you to heaven. "So you don't have to be a good person in order to get to heaven?", is my question. The few believers that have told me this were definitely NOT good people, in my book. They had nasty, angry, aggressive dispositions. One couple, husband and wife, certainly treated their extended family (his and her children) like shit. At a grandchild's baptism, the wife berated the children for not paying more attention to the husband/grandfather. ?!?!? So the baby is not the star of the "show"? The grandfather should have been? Anyway, the "logic" of Christianity baffles me.

Wow....

Wow you can’t make this stuff up it’s too good.

Most have no idea what they believe. It changes depending on the given circumstances.

People are stupid.

I wouldn't advise getting into it at work, but just watched Matt Dillahunty on "Atheist Experience" give an excellent response to this. Essentially, it was, why do you have to have faith? In the OT, Yahweh showed himself, both physically to some, and by signs and miracles to the masses. He even hardend Pharos heart so he could 1) subjugate free will and 2) show off his awesome powers of blights. So why did the playbook change? Why was it ok to not rely on faith then, but now it's required? The woman who called in was quiet for about 5 seconds and finally responded with something along the lines of, "Hmmm, that's a good question. I don't know." LOL - yea, one of the main tenants of your religion and you never thought to examine the logic behind the beliefs. Honestly, not surprising though...

I think he later started talking about the hypothetical Hitler accepted Jesus right before dying, but a good person devoted their life to peace and helping others, yet Hitler gets to heaven and the good person goes to hell. Where is the logic, love, or justice in that? Again, you could actually hear the rusted gears in her head trying to turn!

Exactly! And that's how they convince themselves that all the good non-Xtian people in the planet will still go to hell. I think Jebus said it about 50 times..."believe in me and be saved." So..all those charitable Buddhists, B'hais, Jews, Muslims and yes....even HUMANISTS are still doomed.

I'm proud of you for holding your tongue!

I understand what she means. In retrospect (on my own former beliefs): it's* stupid.

At least she's honest, I guess. Too bad she can't be (or hasn't yet been) honest with herself about the immorality of it.

* EDIT: That is, it's a stupid idea, not she's stupid. Indoctrination is a powerful thing.

I used to go to a church, but they were way too controlling. I left because they're still trying to control my life. :-/

Any church should provide some guidance, but shouldn't be anal in what they do. That's the path to brainwashing!

haha...

Haha, sounds like Hardin County. Most “christians” say that a non christian can’t be good and moral, I guess your co-worker isn’t drinking the same kool-aid as the others.

Ugh. I’ve have had several run ins like this over the years. People say the stupidiest things and wonder why you sit there staring at them after they unleash something like this. By her logic you could be ‘saved’ and torture kittens in your basement every night and still make it into heaven. And if a believer murders someone do they still end up in heaven ? For a supposedly narrow road that leads to salvation it sure it easy to get it. Just believe !!!!! Ugh ugh.

Man, you missed the perfect opportunity to sell her some magic beans in exchange for her cow. lol

Facts generally mean nothing to believers, however these facts help shed light on ignorance.

1. Judaism does not believe in hell. Hell is a catholic invention 1st century AD

2. In Judaism there exist 7 levels to heaven, at least this how the concept was created. I should say the 9 orders of Angels live in the 7 spheres of heaven, with one Angel Azazel chained to a rock in the bottomless pit. The Angels that fell live in 3rd sphere of Heaven.

3. The German term God traces it's etymological roots to the Latin term Deus, from the Greek term Zeus.

4. Adam in Hebrew means man.

5. The tree of life means your linage

Punctuated with a yeah right

Ri-i-i-i-ght ....

Yeah I feel ya. I had some guys try to convert me in college, cupping their hands and asking if I believed what they had in their hands. I said let me see it. They said, no you have to believe. I finally said ok, I believe now let me see it and they said, no, if you believe we don't have to show you. It's dizzying. It's ok, I'm going to Bora Bora when I die-you can come with me.

You should had escorted her behind the woodshed and show her the other side of you that is not a good person. I had been challenged plenty of times in my life.