I think capitalism met socialism in Rosevelt's New Deal. Capitalism as I understand it arose from Feudalism and maybe we are heading towards a new kind of Feudalism
I suspect that huge multinational corporations already have more power than some nation states. Automation is and will continue to make significant changes to society, possibly leading to Feudallike society.

@cava Multinational corporations (capitalism) need the state. I think the power that one has over the other is debatable and not that black and white. It's kind of ironic being that the right wing loves capitalism yet wants to abolish the state (government) though.

Seems to go against the Bernie Sanders 2016 results. Yes the Democratic Party stacked the deck against Bernie, but his results and lingering effect on the Party suggest a slide to the left.

@cava Bernie didn't win the nomination though. A center right Hillary Clinton did. Obama was also center right. He even described himself as a 1980s Republican.

@cava I do think it's possible though that the majority of non-voters might be more left wing than voters though. Like I said, I think it's complicated though. Voters might be leaning more towards health care for all, but they also might still be more right leaning with other stuff. I still think the issue is in who they vote for. Active voters still seem to be electing conservative candidates. Not as conservative as Republicans, but still conservative. It is of course a sliding scale.

@cava Bernie Sanders had to fight just to become a Dem nominee. I am on other message boards having to do with politics and 90% of the Dems in some groups were against Bernie. That's anecdotal though, and it was in groups of maybe 3,000-5,000 people.

Just my opinion though. I could obviously be wrong.

I agree with the following and I think the progressive stance...health care for all is a winner for the Dems, if they get woke.
"I think that the sort of civil war that is going on between the hard left, you know the sort of woke crowd, and you know liberals who are interested in reclaiming liberalism from identity politics is one of the most interesting sort of intellectual, political, sociological fights going on right now, and I’m really interested in that, and I think Times readers are too, because I think they find themselves sort of torn between the two. And I think that’s why a piece like this really sort of strikes a nerve.”
Bari Weiss Neoconservative Editor NY Times

@Piece2YourPuzzle Give even the most die-hard, right wing, insanely conservative Republican universal healthcare for 1 year, and I guarantee you'll never hear another peep out of them about how bad socialism is with regard to healthcare. All it will take is one ER visit, one hospital admission, or one cancer scare and they'll become universal healthcare evangelicals.

@GinaMaria Or they will just say that they are providing it for themselves by paying for it and complain about having to pay more in taxes to support others like they always do lol

@Piece2YourPuzzle Bernie technically DID win in many of the caucuses & primaries. Hillary's camp was guilty of cheating in multiple states, including holding votes early (research NV state primary) and closing polls early (research AZ polls closing with just a moment's notice). These events occurred in response to unfavorable numbers leaning toward Bernie & weren't largely broadcast by local media, as there was incredible bias from the DNC as well.

@wendymai1 I'm with you on the DNC being a deplorable organization (to steal the moniker from them for Trumpsters), but it was by about 3.7+m votes. I know the DNC tried to fix it from the beginning because Bernie was an "outsider" and Hillary was basically the DNC's funding bank, but I'm not sure by about how many votes or influence they were able to fix it by. What do we mean by fix though? I will research what you said though. It will be interesting to see who the new candidates will be in the dem primary in 2020. Which will be true progressives vs establishment "liberals", and who the people vote for.

@wendymai1 I see what you mean: [huffingtonpost.com]

@wendymai1 Arizona, at the time, had mostly Republicans in charge of our polling places. I agree it was a miserable time, with more polling places than was reasonable closed, but suggesting the DNC had any pull in Arizona to "fix" an election is likely fantasy. Here, independents can vote in primaries and a lot of Arizona independents are conservative-lite or libertarian, meaning Bernie's ideas would have scared them witless.

The Gallop Poll suggests that there is broad (GOP & DEM) support for small businesses, the poll found that positive feelings of support for Capitalism has slipped since the last time they did the poll.
Capitalism is an efficient economic system, so efficient that communistic countries like China are very proficient at it. But that proficiency does not equate to social goals, either here or in China.
I think it is the governance of the country, the way our democracy is enacted that has slipped in support by most ordinary people, for some of the reasons I have stated among others.

This is why I think Elizabeth Warren's Accountable Capitalism bill is so important. It makes large corporations consider its other stake holders beyond their shareholders... it workers, its suppliers and its customers.

Don't give up hope and PLEASE don't refrain from voting against career politicians who care more about their pocketbooks than about their constituents.

Some European countries (Germany for one) practice a more socialistic form of government then we do.The bottom line is, of course, money. Here it comes from businesses so they get to call the shots. There it comes from a much higher personal tax rate. Therefore citizens have more power. The big problem, I see, is from excessive population growth. A lot of that growth comes from outsiders with little money and knowledge of the adopting country. I have seen and experienced this first-hand. Too often policies are counterproductive.
One thing I noted missing from your definition of "Social Democracy" was the inclusion of the life support system (environment) in which everything else depends.

Real-world incentives to do the right thing is what we had when the corporate tax rate was 70%. Corporations reinvested, hired more employees, and provided wage and benefits increases in order to keep their tax rates low. All the while, the real value of their business grew. Now, we pay corporations in tax incentives and subsidies, there are no penalties for off-shoring or outsourcing, and profits are more often realized through layoffs than production.