Had a conversation today with someone who asked if the Answers in Genesis Ark Encounter was historically accurate.
I'm a quiet person, and I'm not really out, so I tried to be subtle about my deep personal revulsion to that particular installation. Hopefully my remark to the Christian that some of the problems with actual reality which the Ark Encounter struck (like them realizing making an indoor zoo was a bad idea and would take way more than 8 people to maintain) planted a little uncertainty in her mind. But it's still depressing to realize how prevalent these false beliefs are.
Just say it is inspired by a true story, it works for made for tv movies
Honestly I always thought that there is a tiny degree of truth to that one. Floods do happen in that part of the world.
The flood myth is actually a universal myth. Every culture in the world has the same story. A pius man is warned of an impending flood. He climbs a tree, a mountain, a blade of grass. He builds an boat, digs a canoe, or in some instances, the mountain floats. In some stories he takes his sister.
I am going to refer you to two books.
The first book is about ingenious tribes having great memories. "The Memory Code" by Lynne Kelly.
The second book is "Magicians of the Gods" by Graham Hancock.
And please read the memory code first before you read Graham Hancock. A lot of people are under the delusional belief that our ancestors were stupid.
Actually it isn't quite a universal myth (few things are). In "The Rocks Don't Lie" by Montgomery, he notes a few cultures which don't conform to what you're referring to—though a lot of them, especially around the middle east, do.
@Rhetoric except that your author leaves out the Puritans Massachusetts colony where they describe hearing Noah's myth from the locals while at the same time, wondering how do they have the same myth by not knowing God.
I am a Naval Architect who spent close to 30 years designing and constructing the largest moving machines on Earth -- ships and associated vehicles. I ran a design study on the "Ark" many years ago and found that, in terms of section modulus, a wooden ship of such dimensions could be built with adequate longitudinal strength, but that it would fail immediately in practice.
As for Ken Ham's Ark Encounter, it would be impossible for it to be historically accurate for a number of different reasons. I won't spell them all out here, but if you're interested feel free to ask. Number one on the list is that there is no history to support the need for the Ark in the first place. Second most important item is that his little ship is not a ship and would not float under any circumstances. The whole list is too large. Just think logistics, size and expertise of work force, availability of materials, etc.
This article from the National Center for Science Education might be of some interest:
Was your response somewhere along the line of; "Baaaahahahahahaaaa! You can't be serious! Baaaahahahaha! Ohshitican'tbreath!".... because that might have been my reaction, but I'm pretty shy, so yours may have differed significantly.
I wish! (kinda...I'm shy, too) But the social context certainly ruled that out in any event.
What amazes me is that the Christians who are so worried about abortion, never say a word about the god drowning all the children, babies and parents in the world without blinking an eye. Oh what a loving god, huh!
But everybody from the line of Cain needed to die because they were evil (in the eyes of the LORD)!
This story always bothered me. How could millions of animals fit on a boat half the size of the titanic? Can you imagine how much food would be needed? All the shit that would be produced? Not to mention how far these animals would have traveled? Just ridiculous to think that people really believe this story. Ken Hams Ark failed and lost money because of Atheist. He's words, lol.
I good meme for this topic.
@Deidra500 Wait, were they breeding, then getting old and dying, all while hopping?
I love asking believers to explain why there is no fossil trail to the various continents. It would have taken a long time to cross the world. Also, we would have discovered the center of that migration and would have any remains of the ark. Same with us. We would all be related to Noah and his family, and our DNA would reflect that.
It's not even an original story ,the same story of an ark with flood and even a dove, was written about 1500 years before in neaby Sumer ,now modern Iraq. So ask them to check that out too.
I'm still utterly baffled by how Ken Ham(ster) was able to bamboozle the state of Kentucky into spending millions of dollars on a privately owned religious attraction.
@FortyTwo I'm just saying it should never have been discussed.
City, state and federal governments are forced to remove crosses/crucifixes and the ten commandments monuments from public spaces regularly because they violate the 1st Amendment.
Why should supposed secular money be used, even as an investment, to fund a religious theme park?
It's wrong and the evangelicals who are responsible for it repulse me.
While I agree with the notion that state money ought not have been used for such an explicitly religious tourist attraction such as this for Constitutional reasons, I am willing to give Ham and the state and local officials the benefit of the doubt on being mistaken in good faith about the economic impact his fantasyland boondoggle would have had.
@ErikGunderson I agree that Ham thought this mess would fly, but the state should have seen this failure coming.
I did and I'm not in charge of spending millions of the citizens of Kentucky's money.
@Paul628 To be fair, there are enough bigoted, religious fucks in this country to make millionaires out of the homophobic piece-of-shit pizza parlor owners via donation, so anything's possible there. I think I had to say this yesterday, too, but, a fool and his money are soon parted.
Didn't that ark cost $100,000,000 and 100s of craftsmen with state of the art tools worked on it and it would never float anyway? But Noah did it with an old axe and few nails in no time at all. But what gets me what did Noah do with all the animal shit? From what I can gather Christians are still shovelling it.
Can you spot the issue in this picture?
Amazing that they were able to breed two males. Nature finds a way.
My favorite depiction of the Ark was in Disney's Fantasia 2000.
Man shall not lay with another man. Says nothing about a lion growing a vagina and uterus and getting his freak on on a boat full of food.
This is one of those things that I could never swallow, even as a kid. Not that anyone ever tried (because I never asked) but no one could have ever convinced me that all the animals in the world could fit on and survive in one boat. I always knew it was a furry tail.
I didn't get into Biology or Geology until recently, so that never quite computed for me. Wish it had, though. :/
over 200 flood myths in ciivilization
Which of the people let the ringworm infect them? The public lice? The scabies? If there's no evolution and he killed everything that wasn't on the ark, all the awful shit we have today was in at least one of them...
No, no no, @JeffMurray, don't you know those things all post-date the flood, and are God's punishment for people being [select one or more as current cultural controversies dictate: gay or tolerant of gays/tolerant of divorce/idolatrous/heretics/reluctant to tithe/marrying foreigners/inhospitable to travelers/willing to work on the holy day/other contemporary issue putting a bug up religious busybodies' bottoms].
@ErikGunderson I was totally going to reply with the same sarcasm.
Jokes on you, bitches, god smites the sarcastic even before the sodomites.
Shit.
Damn, @JeffMurray, I am in A LOT of trouble if that's true!
These fairy tales as I call them often help people in establishing temporary explanations or reasoning behind questions or burdens they are experiencing in life..like a coping mechanism that gives you a possible answer..even though temporary like a band aid
Sometimes a seed is all you need. A seed can shift a perspective just enough to allow questions.
I agree. One time, during a particularly bothersome conversation with my desperately believing mother...I said, "Mom...have you ever seen a picture of a black angel in your entire life? What about a Mexican angel? How about an Asian one? (Referring to the images of angels that she would consider Christian pictures from the "ancient" past)
Really shut her up fast... and although it only stopped the preaching for that particular day...it was enough hahaha
If the ship contained the DNA and the necessary equipment to support the cloning process, then this would make it plausible. As the people writing, rewriting, translating, and falling asleep while scribing by candlelight, they may have interpreted some details incorrectly making it seem like they led the animals up the ramp. Otherwise, Genesis might just be several hundred tons of animals two by two poo. The evidence isn't there.
I was a young earth creationist, fundamentalist, wacko. I was indoctrinated from birth. Now the biggest problem I would have have been trying to have a conversation without my brain exploding all over their shirt. I am good about being conversational and provoking thought, but the internal monologue would have even offended me.