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Who created the creator?

LillyMay 3 Sep 15
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It wasn't me and I refuse to accept any blame for this mess.

Jnei Level 8 Sep 15, 2018
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We created him. He is completely manmade.

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Some human that felt the need to control other humans.

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I'll let you know when I figure it out...

skado Level 9 Sep 15, 2018

@MissKathleen
ha! well thanks but I’m gonna hafta leave that one to the physicists...

@MissKathleen
I’d say that’s very likely to be the case.

@MissKathleen
I’m generally content to work on stuff I think there’s a chance I might be able to understand... and that’s definitely not one of them. 🙂

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We did — just a figment of our collective imaginations. ?

It's a valid question, but the answer you'll receive from the faithful apologists is likely to be something along the lines of how God is outside space and time so causality doesn't exist in that way for him, or that only things that began to exist have a cause and God is that uncaused cause. But I think the question can be put to believers another way that makes a stronger point: if they assert that God can exist and doesn't need a cause, then why can't the universe itself have that same property? There's no reason that we can't apply that same hypothesis to the universe and simplify things significantly. It doesn't get us truly closer to the answers still outstanding, but it takes out a needless leap of faith to say God isn't a requirement.

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Infinite regression looms! ?

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This assumes the existence OF a "creator".
Prove the creator exists and then we can debate from whence they came.

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So...nothing makes sense. If God created the world only to destroy it twice first by water second by fire... Why create it in the first place? Why create satan your most beautiful angel only to condemn to hell and then order humans to obey...not so very loving and understanding as god is said to be... And i don't think Jesus Christ ever existed. Like oh im god im going to create a human enter him and then let him be killed at the age of 28

Earth is still here. Never been destroyed, best I can tell.

There is no archeological proof that this Jesus character ever existed outside of literature and the minds of men.

So there's that.

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If such a being existed (very doubtful) they must have been part of an evolving ecosystem. The Greeks had it right, there had to have been multiple gods ...

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Faith is a strange concept. Faith does not prove anything - including a creator (for all of you PC fans, why nor createress?), but by the same token, science cannot disprove a creator. Science can however prove that a creator is not necessary. But the question of who created - nay invented - the creator is obvious. Men did.

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I know who created Kreator

The band was formed as Tyrant in 1982 in Essen, Germany. The original lineup featured lead vocalist/guitarist Mille Petrozza, drummer Jürgen "Ventor" Reil, and bassist Rob Fioretti.

Hope this helps 🙂

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If there is such a thing, (not that I believe there is) then the "creator" is an alien. The creator is not of this earth. Therefore, the "creator" is an alien.

Being an ex-mormon, I was taught that God lives on a nearby planet named Kolob. Please don't tell me you are right..... 😛

@Holysocks Oh that's hilarious.

@sewchick57
No kidding! God lives on an invisible planet not far from Earth! IT IS WRITTEN!

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Man created god

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Oh, you didn't know? The creator always existed and that whole argument is nullified in proving anything. Better yet to look for the Cosmos and our universe that might have always existed in some form. That's where we came from and it has been proven that we are made up of "star stuff." The problem with religion is that believers "have to know" and their book tells them all the answers. Immediately they are one up on you because they "know." Do they really know? I don't know. Do you know? It's the nature of humankind to want to know.
In studying the great book, the bibble, I came to find it's errors, fallacies, and cherry picking ways that the many books were chosen and rejected to make a book out of other smaller books that were never meant to be bound together as one in the first place. This is proof that a creator being had nothing to do with this book at all. It is also proof that this book is a fiction. It came about such a long time after Jesus. True believers today continue to cherry pick and get around this by making things up all over again. I've studied other books with similar results. It appears there are no creator beings trying to get in touch with us, tell us how to live, or punish us. In fact, Jesus said originally that he came to save the lost sheep of Israel. Later the Apostle Paul came along and changed it to include everyone. Do I have to go to hell just because of that bastard?? Paul never even met Jesus.

Besides the bibble has been translated and changed so many times that it does not even resemble the original texts at all. It has been said that there as many changes in the bibble as there are words in the bibble.

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As historic evidence of god's literary evolution and lack of evidence supporting a positive god (creator) assertion existing in the real world; that god is anything other then a work of man made fiction, not sure we will know "who" but the god concept is most likely a product of mankind.

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Azathoth?

Dietl Level 7 Sep 15, 2018

thank you

You're welcome 🙂

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That's rivetingly perceptive of you, LilyMay!! And that's the fundamental enigma or conundrum that no one can legitimately answer, which for most of us clear-thinkers, makes Agnosticism imperative!!

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Sorry, about to get dense.

Philosophically speaking, the vast majority of attempted proofs of God's existence rely on an unstated premise called the Principle of Sufficient Reason (there are generally more than one of these, but for the purposes of this discussion, we can assume a common definition). The basic idea behind it (but mind you it's much deeper/nuanced than I can write out on my phone) is that it must be true that if something exists, there must be a reason it exists - some former state of things that explains why it exists.

In a paper I delivered to the Disproof Atheism Society, I showed, using a simple binary decision tree, that this so-called Principle may be useful, but it is at best unprovable, and the majority of cases end up in it being completely self-contradictory, with precisely zero cases where it can be necessarily true. Because of that, all arguments for the positive belief in a God must necessarily be logically unsound, due to the unprovable premise. I won't reproduce this paper here, but if anyone's curious, feel free to pm me and I'll see if I can dig it up.

So, to answer your question: nothing may well have created God, but also nothing may well have created everything.

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According to the book of fables nobody created the Creator, he was just always there for infinity and just one day decided to create everything the heavens and the Earth in 7 days. This creator that you speak of is a product of human imagination. Knowledge is Justified belief, meaning that it is demonstrable and measurable. Truth is whatever statement can be shown to be true, as such since no one can show that there is any truth to anyone's religious beliefs, send those believes cannot count as knowledge. And assertion of unwavering conviction that is not based on factual evidence is irrational by definition and illogical as well. Thus assuming existence of a god should fly in the face of Truth, knowledge and logic.

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Bob almighty! In his ineffable wisdom, he decided to mix a few things together just to see what happens. I believe it was on a Tuesday.

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Ah, therein lies the Great Mystery of the Always Was. Without mystery there is no religion.

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well, most people here (including me) don't think there is any such thing as the creator, so you're asking the wrong folks unless you're just looking for affirmation of your own beliefs. this is a question to ask people who actually think there is a creator.

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If there isn't one, then NOBODY

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The Great Shadow did.

Ha

Who created the great shadow

@LillyMay The sun of course

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