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A friend of mine recently became a jehovah witness. Before we would go to the pub and play pool or go for late night drives to Inverness and listen to music, get macdonalds and just talk. Since he joined we never go out in public and our late night drives have to be "secret". He said he can't be alone with someone of the opposite sex unchaperoned.
It's selfish for me to want him to break this rule. But I think it's ridiculous.
Any advice?

Bonnie95 3 Jan 25
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Yes...you may have lost a friend! Living a lie, benifits no one...never has and want in your case! It is heatbreaking, but you will need to give careful evaluation to the whole situation, if his actions seem determined, where will that leave you? I still love some people, from afar...that is all i'm saying!

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Wow. It's hard for me to imagine an adult choosing to do this. I'm very sorry for the loss of this friendship for you. Because that's what it is. I wish you the best.

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He already made the choice for both of you. His JW belief is more important to him than you are.

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As someone who has spent a lot of time with cults, eventually he's going to stop going on those trips. Right now he's conflicted because he still has part of his own mind and his own thinking. The part of him still capable of rational thought is pushing him to stay connected to at least part of the real world, but that will soon succumb to the cult as he spends more time around them.

I would say, don't try to reason with him (the fact that he joined the JWs means that reason isn't really his thang). But I don't think it will help to "disown" him either. Have fun. Use those moments to create a place where he can have fun and not worry about you, or them for as long as you can.

Like I said, he'll probably succumb to the cult, but maybe those moments will stay with him and might bring him back to reason... But ultimately, don't fall for his attempts to convert you. He's going to have to try if he's going to fit into his cult. If it gets to be too much, don't be afraid to walk away.

There are books about how to deal with people in cults, and I would be happy to recommend some, but it's a challenge. As long as he's in their grip, he becomes "theirs."

And please let me say that I'm so sorry. I know that this is hard on you and I acknowledge that. It's okay to grieve a little. Don't let people tell you that it isn't a big deal. It is. Take care of yourself.

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Wow, this is unfortunate. I have some Jehovah Witness family members and I grew up going to the Kingdom Hall occasionally. My advice would be to be supportive in his decisions, but talk to him about your discomfort. You should not have to feel like a secret and he should not have to feel like he is living a lie. No one is really "winning" in this situation.

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Its a conviction of fear. He may change. He may not. It's a process for him to accept or deny. It's also a new friends thing for him. New opportunity has come to him to meet other ladies. Some people need acceptance to something greater then themselve. They're followers with a hidden agenda. Be his friend or move on... I'm sorry for your loss.

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Yes it is ridiculous,he chose to be a JW .Just remain friends but move on and be with other friends who are not afraid to be seen with you.

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Too bad sounds like the same old story that the people who have a problem with their sexuality cling to religion and use it as a shield to protect themselves against the reality of their sexual being.

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Here's me:

"Your religion says you can't hang out with me, and you'll get in big trouble if you break the rules. I don't want you to get in trouble on my account. If your religion is more important to you than our friendship, then you have to follow the rules and we can't hang out like this. If our friendship is more important than the religion, dump the religion. I don't want to carry on a friendship with someone who A) has to skulk around with me like we're criminals and B) doesn't have the strength of conviction to adhere to a voluntarily-adopted code of conduct."

Maybe he didn't convert voluntarily? I sure hope not...

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It is ridiculous. I'm guessing an appeal to logic would be lost on someone who chose to join a cult. And you probably tried that already. I'd try to appeal to his emotions with a thought experiment. Suppose you two got into a car accident where you got cut and lost a lot of blood and needed a transfusion to live. If it were his choice, would he let you die to follow JW rules?

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