Every time we glorify the cradle of our civilization... greece and rome, we fail to acknowledge how women were treated on that age and time. So ignoring it... we continue doing it. [cnn.com]
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.Saluting them as philosophers (specifically the Greeks) and the founders of democracy and the republican (small R) forms of government in no way endorses any of their excesses. The Romans held rapacious orgies. Both practiced slavery. Nobody denies that, but nobody wants to carry those traditions on today either.
Not so much ignoring as, it's irrelevant to the matter at hand most of the time.
Paul4747
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Sep 22, 2018
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I noticed you left out Homosexuality of greeks and romans. I rest my case.
@GipsyOfNewSpain "You rest your case"? How so? It's also irrelevant whether the Greeks and Romans practiced homosexuality. They didn't invent it. Nobody "invented" it.
I take it there was something in the link about it? I admit I didn't click on the link. I was making a general historical point.
@Paul4747 So you don't mind if I ignore you then.
@GipsyOfNewSpain The link has absolutely nothing to do with either ancient Greece or Rome. Whatever point you're trying to make by bringing up the treatment of women in ancient history is tenuous at best.
For the most part I ignore YOU, but then you post something like this, and it brings out the history teacher in me.
Because we still doing it!!!
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GipsyOfNewSpain
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Sep 21, 2018
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i don't see why we have to glorify anything at all. studying and understanding are enough. and if we really study, and really understand, we see the real role of women, despite the fact that they were so little valued (oh my how things have changed -- um, not so much).but let's expand slightly past greece and rome, and learn about hypatia and, alas, her fate. [smithsonianmag.com]
note that egypt had at least three female pharoahs that we know of (well, that i know of -- you may know of more!): cleopatra, nefertiti and hatshepsut. the last is little spoken of but the other two are much portrayed... the way men imagine them.
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genessa
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Sep 21, 2018
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Bingo!!!! Portrayed the way men imagined them!!!! I rest my case but add Akhenaten, Maybe the first known Hermaphrodite Pharaoh (Dynasty 18,1350 - 1334 BC, New Kingdom) also known as Amenotep IV and husband of Nefertiti. But we do glorify. We still say Helen of Troy was the most beautiful woman in history... we talk about Cleopatra's Charm instead of her murderous instinctive behavior etc, etc, etc.
@GipsyOfNewSpain thanks. we don't get told about them in school. not that school has been a recent thing....
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And, with the USA being, in part, based upon the old Roman Republic... Keeping the public entertained and fed rather than educated and motivated... We too shall fall eventually.
I give you Trump playing the part of Nero. We should be so lucky that it all end the same way.
RiverRick
Level 7
Sep 21, 2018
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Is football season isn't it?
@GipsyOfNewSpain Not sure if you follow my point. The Romans had the coliseum and would give free bread away. That's how apathy starts.
@RiverRick Of course I do... half of the calendar in rome was a holiday of some kind. We will be tied up with the "who's worthy of the superbowl" dilema for the rest of the year and into 2019.
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