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Do you realize that no matter what you say or how you say it, it is incorrect to someone. This translate to total lack of freedom of thought, speech and expression. It is time to rebel.

DonaldHRoberts 7 Sep 25
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It has always been so, it is why the art of debate, conversation and Rhetoric where developed.
It is a sad sign of the declining intellect and lack of tolerance in people as a whole that we have descended from, "I disagree let us discuss, " to "Shut up, Shut up, Shut up, Shut up, Shut up, Shut up, Shut up, Shut up, I'm calling the thought police!"

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I think all that means is that there's no point in the fool's errand of trying to be acceptable to all comers. It can't happen.

Also it's not a "total" lack of freedom, it is simply a consideration that people will react badly at times and you have to be willing to let that be as it is if you actually value freedom of expression as much as all that.

The point of course is that it is a total lack of freedom when opinions become moral and legal absolutes, which is what is happening.
That is the point when opinion becomes a crime, when thought becomes sedition and freedom is only the freedom to obey or die.

@LenHazell53 The point at which opinion literally becomes a crime is when laws are passed and enforced stating what you can and can't say. We have a very few of these on the books, along the lines of not yelling "fire" in a crowded theater -- things like joking about bombs in an airport security line, threatening the US President's life if I'm not mistaken.

The more metaphorical point I suspect you're talking about is when opinion becomes criminalized is when one view is held up as a moral absolute, with the implication that differing views then become by extension immoral.

But I think it's important to note that the raw percentage of people closely following Fox & Friends or Rachel Maddow, and of people actively hurling invective on social media, is actually quite small. The ability to obsess over such things and to participate in harsh rhetoric with very low barriers to entry and basically no consequences, means "a lot" of people do it, but it tends to amplify the polarization and make it look worse than it actually is. I do not see people proceeding from that to, say, civil war or insurrection for example.

And the truth is that I can express my intense loathing of people like Trump and the strong disagreement of some people with that position is of no actual consequence to me. The most danger I'd be in, is in some direct confrontation in the rare physical protest I might actually be a part of, and yet, even most of those play out peacefully despite any confrontation.

So even though in some people's minds my opinions are immoral and wrong, I don't consider this a "total lack of freedom" or even a partial lack. It is simple disagreement. Some make it personal, most don't even do that. And so I think I'd be wrong to claim I have no freedom simply because the freedom I actually do have comes at a nonzero cost. All freedom does.

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no your wrong (thought ild get in 1st)

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