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I had got to thinking about Thanksgiving and what it means and the story we were told as kids was all lies ( not trying to be a conspirist ) but I think many people in our community may or may not know what actually happened at Plymouth ; I did some digging and found [google.ca] ; this is a link to what had happened and that why I think it would be more ethical to refer to thanksgiving as Native American rememberence day ( I really am empathetic towards the Natives)

AJimboShep82 7 Oct 5
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My ex was part Native American born in 61. She acted more ashamed of it and always said she was American when mistaken for Asian descent up North or NA in the South or West. The kids had no problem with their heritage, but felt they need not claim it on applications as they had lived a white privilege life. They preferred my dad's Irish heritage and discovery of family named caves in Ireland.

I don’t think she should be ashamed of it but should be proud to be a First Nations people .

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Just note that the so called Pilgrims settled in already wood cut fields ready for crop planting once used by the natives, most of whom had died from the European scourge of smallpox. Many other European settlers did the same thing.

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I work with an Indian health center. Columbus Day is referred to as Indigenous People’s Day by many people. A lot of Natives don’t celebrate Thanksgiving because - well why would they?

I wouldn’t blame them for not celebrating thanksgiving ; that would be an immoral thing to do ; in hindsight if Squanto had not shown the pilgrims survival tactics the pilgrims would have perished the pilgrims should have been thanking Squanto and his tribe for their mercy and their humanitarianism.

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Is there any way to get the truth out there into the mainstream?

This book is pretty good for truth. American Nations: A history of the eleven rival regional cultures of North America by Colin Woodard.

[amazon.com]

@exilesky wonder if it is available on Kobo?

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I share your empathy. There's an excellent book, Lies My Teacher Told Me by James Loewen, that describes several similar periods in American history that get the white wash treatment.

excellent book!

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Basically anything you see in a history book, monument, or even our currency, is designed to glorify males of European descent and whatever bloodthirsty greedy carnage they indulged themselves in, generally spun as a holy cause, if only for the sake of the deity Progress. In light of recent happenings in Washington, this will not be ending any time soon as the Smug Rich White Male Privilege Club is alive and well and doing whatever they damn please. I would like to see Andrew Jackson removed from the $20 bill because of his horrendous practices towards the Natives, but again, since similar justifications and lies are greatly appreciated as a means to such ends currently, so I don't see it happening soon.

@TheAstroChuck Nope. Trump likes Jackson and wants to keep him.

[nymag.com]

My college history book had 1 chapter each in Native Americans and African Americans. They were separate from the rest of the text and written entirely in the passive voice. A lot of terrible things “happened” without anyone saying who did them.
I didn’t know until I started working with the Native population that, within living memory, Native children were removed en mass from their homes and families and put into “residential schools” where they were punished for speaking their Native language or participating in any traditions. The vast majority of those children were abused (physically and/or sexually) and then returned to homes where they knew no one.
Also my boss grew up on a reservation in Wisconsin that had NEVER had drinkable running water.

Jackson disobeyed the Supreme Court; no wonder Trump loves him. Jackson won a battle in a war we lost, after a treaty of peace had been signed. That made him famous; he also shot and killed two men in duels. And as President presided over the trail of tears, one of the government's great tragedies.

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I saw a documentary many years ago regarding "King Phillip's War". Thanks for the reminder.

twill Level 7 Oct 5, 2018

Anything to get the truth out there ; I really don’t blame the Native Americans in both Canada and the USA to be outraged ; I think it is rather unethical and immoral not to remember their fallen tribesmen and just to think the Natives show them survival tactics only for the Pilgrims to stab them in the back and kill and enslave their people.

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We came, we saw and we slaughtered. We really need to stop saying we discovered the New World in 1492, it wasn't really a discovery and even if it was there had been Vikings in L'Anse aux Meadows long before that and the Basque fishermen knew well the fishing grounds before Columbus followed an old map and opened the door to the Spanish Conquest of the native peoples who knew where they were all along.

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we already have that kind of day for native americans on october 12, which used to be columbus day, at least here in minnesota. thanksgiving can be translated into a general awareness that some of us have it good and others of us don't; we don't have to celebrate the story (i never did).

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I think that unless it is a day exclusively dedicated to the Natives like renaming it Native American Remembrance Day would probably be far more appropriate.

@AShep82 here in mn, october 12 is renamed something like that. i forget what it has been renamed but along those lines. it sure isn't columbus day!

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