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Believe me when I say......I think I joined the wrong website group. I am not an agnostic. Anybody know a good atheist site?

57gord 3 Oct 17
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Loads of here are atheist, but if you want the best atheist site it is undoubtedly to be found here
[atheistrepublic.com]

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Doesn't seem you've had time to really check this site out. The term 'agnostic' as used for the site name is just to make it a bit more inclusive, while still keeping the theists in check. The definitions & usages of the terms agnostic & atheist are described down below in other comments, so I won't belabor that, but I am an agnostic atheist, by MY definition (along with skeptic, humanist, freethinker, antitheist, apistevist, sapiosexual,...). There are a broad range of viewpoints, & interests, mirrored on this site, without the theistic chatter. Try it for awhile, you may come to like it!

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Agnostic/Atheist. Basically 2 sides of the same coin in that both reject conventional religion, the rest is just details..........

Knowledge/Belief, two different ways of looking at things that can & do combine.

Actually it would be Agnostic/Gnostic and Atheist/Theist being 2 sides of 2 different coins.

@HeyHiHullo Only if you inject 'opposite' into the meaning instead of 'same'.........

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< ------ Atheist since age 13.

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Hey! I’m also an atheist and - as you can see - there’s a lot of us here. True, there are many other viewpoints expressed on this site, which makes for a lot of interesting conversations and occasional strife. The easily managed price of diversity, I figure. (A little diplomacy goes a long way!) I’ve checked out some specifically atheist sites, but have been disappointed so far ...

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I'm an Atheist and this site seems right for me.

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I'd suggest you stick around - follow some folks who are more definitely atheist.

Join some groups of interest to you.

I'm betting you've knocked into some of the "woo". I'm pretty sure you can hit that anywhere online.

You're in early days. Give the site a chance.

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To your specific question, I was going to commend TheThinkingAtheist.com as a place for more strident atheism if that's what you're after, but was surprised this morning to find they appear to have taken their forums down. I hadn't visited in awhile.

There's also the atheism & agnosticism forum on city-data.com, but I have found them to be over-moderated and compared to here, there are a lot of drive-by shootings by theists.

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There are lots of atheists here. And as time goes on I more and more don't see much real difference between the two, if you really understand the definitions.

An agnostic does not think gods are knowable -- there's no supportable knowledge claim for or against them, as they are inherently unfalsifiable.

If you can't stake a knowledge claim then how can you have an affirmative belief about deities either -- which is the atheist side of things.

From a technical, philosophically supportable perspective, one hand washes the other. Many atheists say they "don't believe" when if you really press them what they actually can defensibly say is there is no evidence to support belief in deities and so they don't afford belief to it. "God doesn't exist" is a semantic shortcut and fine if you want to use it. But what we're really saying is we see no valid reason to believe, so we do not. We reject the theist demand that we should / must believe as it's not supportable.

Now on this site some identify as agnostics who "aren't sure there's no god" and some identify as atheists who "are sure there's no god" and it's fine if they want to do that, but both of those positions are more true to typical theist stereotypes than they are true to the historical meaning of the terms (particularly in the case of agnostic), and those are not really logically defensible positions to take.

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I'm also in Atheist Nexus but you find the same definitions of agnostic/atheist there as you do here. Do I have evidence that there are no gods? Of course not. That old argument goes back and forth both ways. There is no evidence for or against. I'm not upset if you call me agnostic. I'm not upset if you call me atheist. Even Richard Dawkins puts himself on a scale of 1 to 10 in god belief and I would call the man an atheist. If you make the claim 100% that there are no gods you have just put yourself in the default position of producing the evidence. I'm sorry, but you will not be able to do that. Nobody on either side has even been able to do that.

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Easily remedied. Just delete your account and move on to greener pastures.

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Hopefully, you find what you are looking for. Bye.

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No conflict, they are not mutually exclusive terms. I call myself both and a freethinker and sceptic too.

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Scientifically, being an Atheist is the least scientific option.

I mean a lot of us are willing to read way out science fiction about powerful space civilizations, which I guess is also some kind of supreme power.

Also, if you havent had your mind bent by Quantum Physics, and the hidden dimensions theories, then like a few of those guys have said, you didnt really understand it. (The Matrix anyone ?)

I look at the Agnostic POV as being at least the most logical position.

Just think of what a Victorian Era Atheist would have to say to one of us explaining basic atomic theory. Hell, Einstein never fully accepted Quantum field theory.

no one has ever accused isaac asimov of being unscientific, and here is what he said later in life: “I am an atheist, out and out. It took me a long time to say it. I've been an atheist for years and years, but somehow I felt it was intellectually unrespectable to say one was an atheist, because it assumed knowledge that one didn't have. Somehow, it was better to say one was a humanist or an agnostic. I finally decided that I'm a creature of emotion as well as of reason. Emotionally, I am an atheist. I don't have the evidence to prove that God doesn't exist, but I so strongly suspect he doesn't that I don't want to waste my time.”

@genessa "but I so strongly suspect he doesn't " - notice its not "I am absolutely sure there is no mind boggling powerful super beings anywhere in the whole of the Universe".
... and after spending his whole life dreaming them up.

@BanjoTango haha good point... but the key word here, to be serious for a moment, is SO, meaning in this case SUFFICIENTLY. i don't know for SURE that there are sidewalks on city streets but i am sure enough that i walk on them. they could be a dream. i don't care. some people may be mad that i don't care, and think i should spend my life questioning the sidewalks. i have bigger fish to fry (oh i am making myself hungry). asimov did too 🙂)

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@genessa Just so. There is no practical difference in terms of how one conducts one's life or how one thinks about it, between "there is no god" and "I very, very VERY much doubt there's a god". But there's a huge philosophical difference and a big difference in the logical defensibility of the two positions. I'm not going to be drawn into the Sisyphian task of disproving the un-disprovable. Even with sidewalks, as you point out -- things that we intersubjectively agree we all see and touch and use everyday -- there's no such thing as 100% certainty, only 99.999% and the difference is not worth bothering about.

@mordant amazingly, it gets bothered about lol

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most people blur the lines between agnosticism and atheism. some blur them so much they cross right over in either direction. i think of this as a place to escape random blessings and proselytes, not to mention outright attacks on the basis of religion. so this is a sight for folks who don't believe in any gods. some of us also believe there are no gods. i don't see a huge conflict. i don't plan to talk about gods or no gods all day long; it's just nice to talk about other stuff (too) with people who won't bring gods and religion into the mix. "do you like cats?" "yes, they're one of god's finest creatures." "did you grow up in a nice neighborhood?" "yes, we were blessed." stuff like that. if you just want to talk about atheism all day long, you can probably find a group here for that, and that's fine -- do your thing. but i don't see a conflict, myself. i know i'm an atheist. i don't care if some of the nice people i talk to are agnostics.

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Oh, look at the wonderful day god has created for us this morning.

I really want to distance myself from those types of people all I can. If they keep on I will introduce them to my childhood friend Casper the Friendly Ghost.

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I believe in nothing, I even posted a picture of it.

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I'd say most of the posters here are firm in their non-belief, but there are some who are still questioning, or still defining what they think after being believers for years. There are a few religious zealots who waste their time trying to argue with hard core atheists, but I think they give up and go away soon enough.

Perhaps you should do what I do, only click on posts that sound interesting to you, and ignore the others. There are sure a lot of subjects being discussed. Hope you stick around and add your comments to the ever-changing dialog here. Welcome!

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How about you just stay here for a while and see how you like it. By the way, welcome.

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