The religion teaches you that you are ill,
and ONLY the religion can cure you.
That you are Bad
and ONLY the religion can make you good.
That you are broken
and ONLY the religion can fix you.
WHO SAYS THIS?
The religion says God does.
Do you see God telling you that?
Or
Is it MEN telling you that,
speaking FOR god
as if God has no voice of its own
despite having spoken reality into existence
and allegedly telling the ancestors of those very men
what they now repeat to you?
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.Just for the record, God's actual direct quote on this topic is that atonement fixes you up -- stop doing stupid shit, make up for the damage you did, and move on. This is from the Cain and Abel story. I have no idea how that very simple concept (apologize and clean up your mess) morphed into an exclusive salvatory/redemptive paradigm. I think they over-bid.
andygee
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Feb 2, 2018
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It happened because the Christians pagerized the Hebrew faith, re-interpreted all the OT, created Satan and Hell as they tout it, and required salvation from that.
IF you look at ROME, after Nero and before Constantine you find this odd period of time where the Christian Faith was allowed to bloom, where known hebrew authors were adopted by the Royal family and the glaring oddity that side by side comparisons of the writings of tthis author are remarkably similar to Mark, the first Gospel from which Matthew and Luke were plagerized or inspired.
THEN Constantine took the Religion full Roman . . .
@Davesnothere That's about the size of it... But I'm missing something from your reply -- who is it that parallels Mark? Are we talking about the Q document? And i hope we all can enjoy the irony of having a civil, very informed discussion of Biblical Criticism on an Agnostic/Atheist site.
@andygee Both Matthew and Luke are derivitive of Mark.
I was touching upon the Flavin Theory, which is in short summary as follows.
Rome was very fed up with an endless parade of zealots from Judea, constantly starting revolts and uprisings. To counter this, they invented a NEW Messiah, one who did not insist one rising against Rome but instead said "turn the other cheek" one who said "render unto Ceasar the things which are Ceasars and render to God the things which are God's"
Of course this Messiah would be none other the Jesus.
Here is a link to this theory in toto.
This is a theory MUCH in dispute by believers, but it also has quite a bit of evidential support.
Being as it is antiquity, we shall never know the truth of the matter.
[postflaviana.org]
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