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JacarC 8 Oct 27
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We've had a couple of trolls on this site decrying "fundamentalist atheism" -- one of whom has blocked me, thankfully -- and I'm not having any of it. I've seen a smattering of them on other sites too.

Such people misunderstand what religion, religious fundamentalism, and atheism definitionally and inherently are. They mistake stridency or intensity for dogmatism. Dogmatism requires dogma, which areligion definitionally lacks.

Generally these folks fancy themselves to be "above it all" and any sort of debate to be beneath them and their lofty meta-concerns. Increasingly I find it best to leave them to their self-aggrandizing thoughts, beyond restating the actual definitions of the terms under discussion and letting the chips fall where they may.

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The debate continues but after knowing yourself, the debate is no longer, I have nothing to prove nor do I care if one likes my point of view. I am who I am and that is pretty damned good.

EMC2 Level 8 Oct 27, 2018

True in a sense but one does not necessarily debate because they have something to prove (in the sense of personally validating themselves or justifying themselves). One also debates because words and ideas matter and they want to influence society's thinking. Because they see injustice and the erosion of freedom and want to counter it. Religious ideation harms society in certain ways and should be pushed back against to the extent that is happening.

I actually have zero problem with whatever people get up to in their private clubs, including houses of worship, so long as they don't attempt to impose their beliefs and rulesets on people outside their group. The problem with Christian fundamentalism, particularly in the US, is its unholy alliance with temporal power, and its ambition to repeal western legal systems and replace them with Old Testament law. This has been the overt goal since Rushdoony in the early 1960s and even though it's watered down and papered over with nice sounding terminology, the wet dream of Christian fundamentalism really IS something akin to the Handmaid's Tale and we're seeing it partly realized in Trumpism today. That's incredibly harmful and dangerous and I'm going to adamantly oppose it.

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