for me it still has to be, as with just about everything in life, case by case. use common sense. listen and hear. jumping off one bandwagon to jump onto another makes no sense. i can't be distracted by all that. tweeden was lying. how do i know? because i like franken and i don't want to believe anything bad about him? no. because i can see with my eyes that his hands are not touching her breasts and she says they were. because i can see it's a staged photo on a plane with a photographer and tweeden isn't asleep and yet she says that franken sent her a copy of the picture to embarrass her (which is weird since SHE is the one who then publicized it!) because she says he insisted she rehearse a skit in order to kiss her, and the skit was ABOUT an actor who insists on a rehearsal in order to kiss the female star, and i have seen a clip from this skit in performance and i know how it ends: she refuses to kiss franken and says "i'd rather kiss HIM" and grabs a soldier from the audience and kisses him, to the soldier's shock and (maybe) delight. because the skit wasn't written for tweeden but had been performed by franken and another actress three years earlier. because fox news and tweeden have a relationship. because someone at fox predicted the scandal just before it broke. that's called paying attention and using common sense. all women are not liars; most women are not liars. tweeden is a paid liar. i also believe blasey-ford and believe that kavanaugh is a liar. why -- because i can't stand kavanaugh? no. i can go through all the reasons but they'd be even lengthier than what i just typed re tweeden. i used my eyes, ears and brain. i didn't think about the me too movement. i didn't think about all women or some women or most women or all men or some men or most men. i looked at the individuals involved and what they said and how they said it and what everyone concerned said and did. that's all i can do. and i can certainly understand being tired, and confused, and disgusted, and depressed about the whole thing. but i don't know any other way to go about life. people are persons. they're individuals. if i were on a jury i could not consider what most people would do or say. i'd have to consider the facts. so it is with everything in life.

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@genessa I just don't see that anyone is having a societal discussion about rape harrassment and sexual coercion in the real world. What about resturaunts and service workers. What about farm workers with employment visas who can't change jobs ( many call them rape visas).
Sex crimes make the best media circus because they usually are not physically provable, and many forms of sexual harassment are vague and hard to distinguish from acceptable social conduct. It makes great tv ratings though. The intricacies of the problem are hardly discussed in any real way it's just a big shitslinger fest between political parties. I worked a 12 hour day shift at a nursing home on Kavanaugh day. I heard the hearing play out on fox news through all the hallways in the entire building on so many loud TVs. I was told the pro Kavanaugh view quite aggressively by multiple female colleagues and clients of both sexes. It did NOT make me feel empowered as a woman or a victim. The whole movement just proves to me that on a personal level it's probably not usually worth it to speak out when sexually assaulted. It never plays out well for the accusers. Some of the powerful men do lose their jobs. It seems like the lives of the accusers are significantly negatively affected regardless.

I do not doubt the sincerity of the individuals making the claims. How could you not if you knew something like that about someone with that much power.. So I guess there isn't much to do about it other than occasionally vomiting up wierd rants about it with overly personal info on a singles website. I just think its all really discusting.

@MsAl it is depressing and disgusting. but i cannot imagine that it is productive to give up. i don't work anymore, so i am not privy to what people are or are not discussing on the work scene. i know that something has to be done and it requires women to come forward, even risking what they risk. i can perfectly well understand why someone wouldn't. however, this means it will never change.

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