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Meet Lilith, the original representation or icon of feminism i.e. independent thinking women. Of course she was cast as a demon by religion

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Praise Lilith, a Chill Demon Cast from Eden for Refusing Missionary Position.

According to legend, Lilith was Adam's first wife. Exiled from Eden for her refusal to submit to him, she was known for centuries as a baby-snatching sex demon. But contemporary feminists and religious scholars insist there's more to the story.

Lukian 8 Nov 5
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Many of the myths of Lilith also cast her as a redhead. Which makes perfect sense, when you think of it.

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Very cool...

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I have always been fascinated by Lilith's mention in the Sumerian myths and Old Testaments. In the New Testament, she was removed, but one small section hints at her presence: In Genesis 1:27 (KJV): So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (Emphasis added) The second mention is in Genesis 2:22 (KJV): And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

This perfectly explains why some males (not everyone thinks as Adam did) prefer strong, sexual females who know the top position in sex is immensely pleasurable and take what she wants. Others (like Adam) prefer a female to be on bottom to "receive" sex. Strongly sexual females have been demonized in history and shunned presently. SMMFH.

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Cool ! I had heard hints , tiny bits and pieces of this , but had never seen this much of it before . And of course, I'm quite sure there is some lost in translation . but yeah , it makes sense , in it's own way . I had read , that in ancient history , a King of the Byzintine wanted to become an Emperor , and had to be crowned by the Pope to do it , but he had been born and raised as a Pagan . He decided accepting Catholizim in order to become an Emperor , was a small price to pay . Later , he was the person who chose which books went into the Bible . Being a powerful male , he chose which books were to be included based on which ones gave him what he wanted . He was the one who chose the pit or pillar stance . Women were either saints who worshiped and did what they were told , or they were evil , because they weren't subservient .

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Cool ! I had heard hints , tiny bits and pieces of this , but had never seen this much of it before . And of course, I'm quite sure there is some lost in translation . but yeah , it makes sense , in it's own way . I had read , that in ancient history , a King of the Byzintine wanted to become an Emperor , and had to be crowned by the Pope to do it , but he had been born and raised as a Pagan . He decided accepting Catholizim in order to become an Emperor , was a small price to pay . Later , he was the person who chose which books went into the Bible . Being a powerful male , he chose which books were to be included based on which ones gave him what he wanted . He was the one who chose the pit of pillar stance . Women were either saints who worshiped and di what they were told , or they were evil , because they weren't subservient .

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This is a GREAT post! I know the story and it is a good illustration about so much. Keep this discussion going

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Back in the early 70s, when I was in the 6th grade, I had a teacher who gave me a book about Lilith.
She'd overheard me saying something about how messed up the Adam and Eve story was. She'd also overheard me getting a lot of flack from my classmates over my lack of belief in the catholic "party line".

Lilith has always gotten such a bad rap, and that's one reason so many people don't even know about her.

Told y'all, I've been an atheist all my life.

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lol cast as a demon by religion. what invented her to begin with? religion! so i should trade one myth for another? i should care what religious scholars say? i like fiction but prefer real people as heroes. hypatia fits the bill.

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I (nor the article) never told you to do anything. Mythology and religion uses metaphors to demonize or glorify actual once living people or events. It is worth heeding and weeding out the myth from the possible reality. In this case, independent thinking women have always been pushed down (demonized) by patriarchal religion (Christianity and Judaism in this particular myth).

@Lukian oh my, you thought i thought the article was pushing me around? um, no. and i totally stand by my response. i don't need a new biblical metaphor. i am quite secure in who i am and whom i admire, thanks.

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@genessa i don't think anything (of other people) other than what I read. Your original comment appeared to represent that you were offended somehow. But if not, then I question why you would go out of your way to smack this post so negatively?

@Lukian i said exactly what i meant. i didn't say i was offended; if that was the impression you got, that was the impression YOU GOT. you thought it was a smack against the post? well, maybe. do i have to love everything i see, and if i don't, is it a horrible thing if i say so? you're reading all sorts of stuff into my response and i meant exactly what i said, no more, no less. why are YOU so offended by being disagreed with?

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@genessa "What men are saying, really is that Lilith 'fights dirty,'" she continued. "But this is a meaningless concept designed to keep women from developing and utilizing their strength to fight, period. Lilith, it must be emphasized, is a fighter and a fighter in a good cause."
I understand your point now: she is nobody to be respected as a myth.

@Lukian sarcasm won't get you far with me. you didn't get anywhere NEAR my point and you're migrating farther from it now. i think i'll just migrate away from you altogether, since you want to argue a point i never made, for no particular reason. don't like being disagreed with on anything? gee. the feels.

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New hero. Thanks for posting!

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"But contemporary feminists and religious scholars insist there's more to the story" and it is just a story as it is with all religions.

as if Adam's first wife was not weird enough...

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I 've never heard this story it sounds interesting

enjoy!

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