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I have always wondered if there was a god. However I have never wanted to fault those who believe in god. To force people to not believe in god because you don't is just so wrong. I can't and won't call myself an atheist. I believe there is a creator of some form... even if it was chance. The world is just too beautiful to not been done by an artist. I am glad I found this group and thanks for letting me join.

dave1459 8 Nov 6
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Welcome. ?

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It is comforting to know that you are not in favor of another Inquisition.

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Why does there have to be a creator or a beginning or end?

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I don't really care what people believe in so long as it doesn't affect me and mine, you can believe in the soup dragon for all I care.
I don't subscribe to a creator either, yes parts of the world are beautiful but equally some parts are hideous, if someone or something is responsible they have a lot to answer for.
I see no evidence for the existence of any god I've ever heard of and so there's nothing to believe in. And the burden of proof regarding existence doesn't lie with me it lies with the person making the assertion. As Christopher Hitchins said 'That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence'
If evidence ever appears then my position may change

Have you met my friend the flying spaghetti monster?

@dave1459 The soup dragon is an integral character in an old UK television program called The Clangers 🙂

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Your use of beauty as evidence of a creator is rather self-centered (as in centered on the human experience, not a personal attack). Our perception of beauty is an evolutionary response to the environment that we find ourselves in. No creator necessarily.
Not trying to tell you what to believe, just pointing out the cracks.

@dave1459 I see what you did there.

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Where do you get the idea that atheists are trying to force people to not believe in god? I don’t give a damn what believers believe, but I do take issue with them telling me that I am wrong by not believing in their mythology. You can believe whatever you want regarding whether there is a creator or not, I personally don’t care. A lot of people also believe in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, most of them are just children so will eventually grow out of that childish notion, whereas a belief in an omnipotent being or creator, which is equally notional and without any logical reasoning or evidence is clung onto into adulthood. You think, by your reasoning, that there must be a creator because “the world is too beautiful not to have been done by an artist”. That is just your assumption, or belief. Beliefs are not facts, facts are provable by being tested by evidence....there is no evidence that a god or gods actually exist. I am an atheist because I cannot believe in something that I cannot see any evidence of.....I am not arrogant about this belief, and if you or others think differently then that is your prerogative....just don’t ask me to have that same blind faith in an unknown and unknowable myth.

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I used to be a theist. Today I am an agnostic/atheist. You cannot force anyone to believe anything.

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