Would like your opinion on this...there's a nurse I work with who basically hit on me at work. He's married. Im not interested but see him as a comrade as I do all my coworkers so it came as a shock. First he added me on facebook...which is fine, others have done the same. Then he became more chatty. Then a few days ago I noticed he touched my shoulders while talking to me and also once on my waste with one hand ...I noticed it but decided it was nothing weird or something others have done at one time or another so I forgot about it. Then the next day I asked him to waste a drug with me and he said, for you Id do anything. Then the next day in the OR during a case he just basically says to me...the pants you wore into work this morning made my day keep doing that. I turned bright red. I workout after work so I wear my workout clothes to work then change into scrubs. I found myself explaining this to him and embarrassed, ashamed. I said I wasn't wearing that anymore. He said no please do. That's why I sit by the scrub machine every morning eating breakfast. At this point I didn't know he was married. But I did feel uncomfortable. I laughed it off and tried to make a joke of it. I mentioned it to a female coworker who told me he was married with 4 kids. I was really kind of shocked but decided to pretend it never happened and avoid it in the future. Went home. Then he started messaging me...nice way to end the shift with you and other flirty things. I confronted him that he was married. He said...so can't a man give a woman a compliment as a friend? then he wanted to know if I would be attending the going away party at a bar for a scrub tech sat night. asked me twice if I would be there, said i need to start hanging out with my work family. I did not go. Im not sure the correct way to deal with this. I don't want to be weird or make a problem or anything bc i have to work with this person. I work at a small facility and we have a very close work family. Im hoping it doesn't ever come up again but if it does....how do I address it appropriately without creating tension?
Haven't women learned anything from the Kavanaugh hearings? Download a recording app. Turn it on and put it in your shirt pocket. Go up to him and tell him you don't like his attentions and if he keeps it up you'll go to HR or his wife. Record what he says after that. Otherwise, it's he said she said.
Yes, we did learn from Kavanaugh, and from Anita Hill before that. We learned that people in authority don't give 2 fucks about sexual harrassment, and that we will be disbelieved, ignored, and labeled as trouble makers if we complain. Thanks for the advice, tho.
@Emerald Some people in authority do care about sexual harassment. Those who don't are still sensitive to a public scandal if they ignore sometime who has solid evidence. Making recordings is good advice. I have a recorder on my phone that picks up everything and I record all of my phone conversations.
Ok when you are hired at this hospital isn’t there a hand book or orientation pretty much like most coed jobs. He usually goes over this stuff with new employees. Sexual harassment is outlined in every handbook company policy’s on posters in break rooms right next the ombudsman poster...... yes anyone? The rules are very clear and he has violated them. It is your choice what do next. If he is truly a friend that crosssd the line. Give a serious what for it simply shout out stop hitting on me around multiple coworkers ... ok maybe not. If you had the talk and do much as catch him staring at you then go to HR and let them handle it. Or go right to HR .... now don’t wait you will want to get it on record. Either way he is going to stop or go away or walk the other way if he sees you.
But do not wait till it happens again and so not be polite or nice about it. You must convey how wrong what he’s doing is. How it makes you feel, and how disgusted you are with him as a married with children husband and father. What would his wife and children think about dad hitting on a woman at work. Go alpha in his ass and if says a word before your through. Just walk away and go straight to HR.
But I’m an asshole like that ....
The rules are clear.... be Brave and shut him down, scare him and repell him with how disgusting he is to you.
Peace, Love and Understanding
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That’s not you being an asshole. It’s never wrong to stand up for yourself.
If he knows that you're currently separated, then he could, consciously or subconsciously, see you as an easy target. You're in one of the most vulnerable places of life right now. He can either respect that and try to be supportive, or try to take advantage of it. Sounds like he's doing the latter. Lot's of good advice in the comments, I agree, report him if it continues.
Based on your description, the creating of tension has been from his end; a transference of his own tension. A person who creates distractions and behaves in a distracted manner in a workplace that is vital to facilitating the good health, if not survival, of others has their priorities skewed.
If his mind isn't on his job 100% it is a weak link in your shared chain. If anything, pointing that out should release tension; enabling better performance and more comfort among one another for work related comaraderie. His creation of tension has worked against that kind of environment. Your good judgment and discomfort with attending the event deprived you and other fellow workers of a valuable opportunity to make your team stronger and your work more pleasurable.
Other than his behavior disclosing that he is immature and troubled, I don't know enough about the rest of his character to make my suggestions a real solution. My thinking if you have a coworker who's professionality you can trust, she/he outght to be told about your situation just as a place of status safe-keeping; someone who might be able to serve later as second party chronological confirmation of your discomfort. If it persists, particularly in the midst of performing care, I'd consider (depending on maturity evaluation) telling him that if it doesn't end entirely and immediately, you'll file a grievance on the basis of patient well-being and workplace harassment. 2. That it wouldn't be received well by most wives. 3. That the slightest hint that he wants to reverse the tension he's created with retaliatory, childish demeanor, you'll proceed with the complaint anyway. 4. That he's created counterproductive tension and that it's his responsibility to make it entirely vanish, 'or else'. (with an o.k? and a big smile...)
It is drastic but people like that sometimes don't get the full message and will resort to 'pay-back' for spoiling their fantasies and unrealistic expectations. If he had any respect for you or himself he wouldn't expect you to receive his base banality as complementary. It isn't the stuff of respectful, professional level friendships.
....you asked for it.
^^^ this is perfect ^^^
I'm not attacking you. But this culture of putting ourselves (women) last in these matters makes me sick. Please try not to worry about "creating tension"! You did not create it. He did. You are only responding to his actions. None of this is your fault. You may tell me you don't feel it's your fault, but by your very statements, you're automatically feeling responsibilities for HIS BEHAVIOR. Ugh!!!
It's not up to you to make this all nice.....
Be polite but you must set the boundaries. Tell him his behaviour is making you feel uncomfortable and it is totally inappropriate in the workplace. YOU Have done nothing wrong at all but I know this situation still makes us women feel guilty. We women all know how he will react " oh I was only joking. Can't you take a joke?'. Then you say "well lets ask your wife how hilarious she finds it".
Maintain your dignity. He knows he is out of line.
Yikes....worked in the OR for almost 20 years and I've seen plenty of bad behavior. Usually doctors and nurses. Skipped the Christmas parties because we couldn't bring a date and the open bar was a recipe for Monday stories. Harassment was everywhere. Not OK. Today is a different day. My advice...you already told him strait that you are not interested.....F' off....he didn't listen...go to HR. Maybe that we prevent him from harassing a new nurse or tech who is less savvy in negotiating the social minefield we both know the OR often is....
For you: document everything that has happened. Be prepared to tell all.
Talk to more than one person about this now.
Be clear: tell him to stop. Do this in front of someone you trust if he does not stop.
To understand him more: An interesting perspective about this: Esther Perel "the state of affairs - rethinking infidelity"
She maintains that the changes in marriage about 100 years ago, and the women's rights changes, haver resulted in insane expectations from having only one significant other. Hence, the number of happily married people exploring new types of relationships.
"to understand him more"!!!! Why should she? HE bloody well knows he is out of line. Why is it always the woman who has to understand where the man is coming from?
@MsDemeanour . . in general it is not about just women. And any one misrepresenting themselves and intentions should be banished.
Esther Perel is exploring the cultural changes that both men and women are experiencing. BIrth control for women is a big change for humans. We still don't know how to deal with that and the reality that everyone wants and needs sexual interaction.
@Jacar well I mean actually you've got a good point there....but he still needs a beat down..
@Freespirit64 . . . Prolly wouldn't hurt. And she might get some release.
For me this is about the assumptions we accept from society about what is acceptable in this period of serial-monogamy. "What is cheating" is at the core of Esther's exploration.
She is explaining that even the best of relationships have "cheating." And it is not primarily the man. And it is not because of any problems in the relationship as is the default goto for an explanation.
But, deception is a form of lying. I am sad anyone has to feel they have found themselves do so, or needing to.
In another thread a women was asking about her need for manly attention because her husband had become an ass. Should she spend the rest of her life celibate because of some undefined vows based upon outdated social "norms" and "morality?" He had essentially broken his vows to her. Is she still obligated?
I think this is a very complicated issue. Cheating is rarely just about sex. It is about how a person thinks about themselves, their human needs, and how the circumstances of their lives are changing.
But, what do I know. I am merely a man.
You don't have to be willing to put up with his unwonted attentions just to work with him. Ask yourself which you would prefer: putting up with his advances for the year(s) to come; or feeling the residual tension if you tell him that you wouldn't go out with him even if he wasn't married. Sometimes a stiff distance is better than a touchy-feely closeness on the job.
You don't need to overreact, and if you do he may well accuse you of misconstruing him being friendly. I think you know what you need to say - in a nice way tell him that there are professional boundaries you would like to stick to and some of his comments have caused you embarrassment. That should probably do it without too much awkwardness. If he ever says he would like to know you better than just as a work colleague, that's your chance to say "Great, how about introducing me to your wife and kids?".
Meet it head on.. tactfully let him know that his behavior makes you uncomfortable..you have every right a work environment of harassment... he is seeing how far he can go with you...let him know if he cannot control his behavior then you will have inform Human Resources of the situation... it’s always best if you have witnesses, but that is not always the case, nonetheless, don’t let this grow and really get out of hand... you know being in the medical profession “ the best cure is prevention “ ... best wishes.....
I think that based upon the information you have given us and the fact that he has not actually done anything yet to justify a sexual harassment complaint it would be wise to put some distance between him and yourself in order to be sure that he is actually trying to hit on you. If it continues then call him out on it and tell him thanks but no thanks, I'm not interested and if he persists then tell him that it will get ugly with a harassment complaint to be filed against him for his actions.
So make the complaint to HR and see where it goes but I can see both sides of this issue so it may backfire on Laura and add further stress to her life. She reports that he inappropriately touched her on the shoulder and on the waist and he denies touching her waist but does recall being compassionate about something and giving her a friendly tap on the shoulder; his recollection and not hers. He says that he did tell Laura that she looked nice on occasion because he knows that she is going through a rough stretch at home and wanted to be supportive and the same reason applies to why he reached out to her on social media which may be written in terms that are nebulous. If the guy is an operator trying to put the moves on Laura then he will have covered his tracks and I'm guessing this is the case from the lack of any comments in the original post stating he said such and such which is clearly harassment instead of 'flirty things like nice way to end the shift with you'. The guy may be a sleaze and is probably aware of Laura's personal life and could be trying to take advantage of her or he might actually be caring and supportive but at this point I think it isn't definitive and could wind up getting spun back at Laura to the point of her competency and professionalism being questioned. I'm not suggesting that is fair but I would want an airtight case before I proceeded. I've had a female co-worker come into my house and take her clothes off, extremely awkward considering I knew she was in a vulnerable state personally and I was not interested in having a relationship with her or a quick sexual encounter, it was inappropriate, I deflected it and got her dressed and back home but it would still later come back to bite me through the rumour mill at the office and I was the villain in her account of what happened, nothing happened at all but that's how these things can go down.
Tell him you'll kick him where it counts if he does it again. Then do it.
I know you're kidding...
If you're not then suddenly she looks like the crazy one, out of a job and has an assault record.
I think she needs to be careful with this anyway so he doesn't make her work situation even worse.
I empathize with you sense of creepy. Any work colleges have comments about him?
How does he figure in with the staff and management?
In general. Start a journal. Record every strange connection. Provide dates, times, references.
I agree with starting a journal and recording everything. You're probably going to need it when you file a sexual harassment suit on him (which is what he's doing). Also, unfriend him from all social media and possibly block him. At least that's what I would do.
@kiramea . . . Maybe. .. .. Maybe this guy will be useful. . . . .
Women: do not discount the immediate offering of orgasms.
DANGER:::: It is a muscle. Use it or lose it. THIS IS NO JOKE!
To refuse an offered penis, at minimum, requires significant fundamental instinctual response. Not just a bit of disdain.
Of course, this is NOT only the man part of me expressing my interest in such activities. It is science that women need to be poked to retain/extend pokabilitiy.
How is that wrong. Only one life to live. So why are we not fucking more?
@Jacar I truly hope this is sarcasm.
If this isn't, I was married to someone like you. I hope to NEVER be involved with anyone like that again.
@Jacar I thought at first that your comments were just a poor taste joke but from your reply I get the sense that you are actually serious.
Aside from being laughably wrong I think your comments are seriously offensive, whether you are joking or not.
@Cassiopeia . . . please read my words as very supportive of women. "Tis science. And all about women's freedom.
@Jacar as a woman I can tell you that your words are most definitely not supportive of women. Nor is it science (do show your scientific sources) or about freedom. What it does is objectify women and their sexuality.
How could you possibly believe that advising a woman to have sex with someone she has no interest in is about her freedom?
“Women need to be poked to retain/extend pokability”. If you don’t see what is so very wrong with that statement I am not going to try to explain it to you.
You have no understanding of women or their sexuality, neither physically nor emotionally, whatsoever.
As for orgasms, women certainly don’t need men for those. And sex with another person is about so much more than just an orgasm.
Start talking a lot about this great new guy you met, and how you think you are falling for him. Total lie, but he can back off gracefully.
We're all human. We all make mistakes and sometimes take things too far. Sometimes, we're a little overly driven to compensate for things that are lacking in our lives and some may not have a good example to follow. Maybe we're just in a bad place and are making some bad choices because our judgment is impaired.
A couple of good suggestions in the comments. Especially BeccaVa. Some things to consider: How will management respond to a complaint? Who does management favor more: you or him? How have they handled other complaints? Have other complaints been filed for this guy? Also, what's his wife like? Is she a willing participant? Are they swingers? Or would there be hell to if she found out?
Whatever you do, how you respond makes all the difference. Be direct, blunt and assertive to the source of the problem. Not easy or fun, but necessary. If that doesn't work, find out what does and approach it in a strategic, thoughtful and measured manner to resolve the problem quickly and efficiently. I used to get angry when I had to deal with other peoples problems but then I learned I just had to get better at dealing with them because they never go away.
Hope this helps.
I started working for a company that was contracted into another bigger company and we were maintenance as well as the company has their own maintenance group only men and my contracted in company was all women I started working and a man in maintenance saw me and liked what he saw he was singing Hot Pockets as he walked by me every time and I didn't think anything of it every day I worked with these woman I talked about my boyfriend this man continued to try to talk to me and the same as you I thought that he was trying to be friendly and I was trying to be friendly back he started to kind of hit on me and in front of my old co-workers He Slipped me a piece of paper with his Snapchat name on it I stupidly added him and he told me I had a nice phat ass. I told him thank you but I wasn't interested and I went to work the next day and told two of the girls about it and they told me he was married and had three children I didn't know any of that because he had taken his wedding ring off since I had shut him down he he gave me the cold shoulder and acted very butthurt so I thought I was going to be left alone little did I know that hit had very much hurt his ego he continued to sing Hot Pockets while he was around me and I was wearing a pair of workout leggings just like you and the man was walking behind me one day and the locker area and started making butt squishing noises at every step I took I was mortified and decided that myself I would confront him and I did I told him that it was rude and I was embarrassed by him making those comments at me and the I did not deserve to be treated that way he apologized and I walked away from him to my locker he followed me to my locker continuing to try and apologize as a compliance manager overheard all of this and stepped in between us and stopped everything that was happening I spoke to this manager in private and I told him everything that had happened and that I didn't want to create problems with either working environment and that I would not report this incident little did I know that he would be talked to and told to leave me alone a week after he continued making hot pocket comments and then the week after that as I was cleaning the floors he decided to stop the dirt off of his boots before he went into the locked off area of the building I had had enough and decided that I was going to make a report and I was going to tell them everything from the very beginning I was told by this company that there was nothing that they could do they would tell him to leave me alone again and that I could change my entire schedule so I would not be in as much of an area that he would be in but in the end there was nothing that the company could actually do about it please be very cautious of what you do outside of work things can go badly I put in my two weeks and they only let me work two days before they told me that they wouldn't need me anymore I made a mistake and I'm paying for it don't make the same mistakes
A really good burn. "Your pants are gonna look great when your wife throws them into your yard after I tell her what you just said to me, bitch!"
Just say whats on your mind strait forwardly. You have the impression that he is hitting on you even if it is not what h intends, that you do not want him in your space, not interested in sharing personal information or closeness and tell him to keep an appropriate topic as working associates.