If they are telling the truth you can't trap them and if they are lying, it's not a trap.

Guillanni is loathsome.

Perfect example of how jingoism has replaced basic human decency.

Really made his flaring nostrils of indignation pretty disgusting.

he shouldn't have been asked. fdr wasn't. eisenhower wasn't. jfk wasn't. bush the elder wasn't. they ALL had affairs, multiple in jfk's case. were they all stupid? morally humiliated? oh wait, it's okay to judge one but not all, when in fact none of it was anyone's business unless it affected the job, which apparently it did NOT.

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I don't think there was a woman alive, ever in a relationship with a man, that didn't know Bill was lying out his ass when he pointed his finger and said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

Certainly a less consequential lie than weapons of mass destruction, though.

That's why it was a trap. People talk about tRump like he would get cheated somehow by testifying under oath. As if.

Not a trap...no one made him lie.

No one makes you step in a snare either. I don't want to defend Clinton. In over 30 years I've never betrayed my family like that.

But as others have mentioned, he was far from the only president to pursue women. The offense he was impeached for wasn't money laundering or fraud. It was something that wasn't even a crime until the perjury (trap).

@RichCC so is every question a trap? That would make everything a snare. And, if it's only questions you give lying answers to, then it's not a snare until you step in it and we know that a snare is a snare whether you step in it or not.

@lerlo Depending on the situation, I would say yes, every question is a trap. When you are a professional politician -- especially these days -- you have to expect every act and word to be scrutinized. And if you become vulnerable as when under oath, your enemies will do all they can to exploit any weakness they see.

When tRump was using foreign money to 'recover' from his multiple bankruptcies, I doubt he planned on winning the presidency. I don't think he looked ahead to the detailed examinations he's now getting or the potential consequences involved. I think he's found himself riding a tiger that he doesn't have the temperament or talent to control or even escape. And the apparently culpable family and associates he's surrounded himself with seem to be in for the ride too.

@RichCC so if you admit what you did it's not a trap but if you lie it is. Got it.

You can always plead the fifth, though.

Roger Stone"wall."

Looks awful, but it is allowed.

@BufftonBeotch That's absolutely correct however there are methods and lines of questioning that can circle a defendant so hard that they forget and blurt out a poor response. In addition you really don't want to "plead the 5th" in court, kind of makes you look guilty AF which is why a lot of lawyers don't even let their clients on the stand.

@mattersauce a poor response is generally recognized, on a legal level, as nothing more than a poor response. the only people who can fall into a so-called perjury trap are people who lie. they SHOULD fall in.

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@genessa Only the guilty can commit perjury.

@BufftonBeotch right. but not everyone who is guilty of something is guilty of a crime. what if everyone who was nominated for a cabinet position was asked, by the senate, "do you masturbate?" how many would be embarrassed and lie and say no? but they shouldn't be asked that (except kavanaugh. he should be asked that.) so that would be a perjury trap, an unfair one, like the one that trapped clinton; he shouldn't have been asked about something that other presidents who did the same thing were never asked. but with regard to trump... we know enough about mueller to know that 1. he won't ask irrelevant questions and 2. trump will lie no matter what the questions are.

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@genessa sorry, there's no perjury "trap." You tell the truth or you don't, otherwise every question that someone lies about is a trap.

@BufftonBeotch Not really. Someone lying is guilty of perjury if it's about something material but that doesn't make them guilty of something else. I could be asked if my brother stole something and if I know he did and say he didn't, it doesn't make me guilty of theft.

@lerlo Abetting is a crime.

@BufftonBeotch Yes, but being present with knowledge isn't. Also just knowing isn't abetting.

@BufftonBeotch abetting WHAT? abetting a hostile nation's attack on our election system is certainly a crime. abetting an affair (for example, eleanor knew what franklin was doing) isn't. but congress never asked THEM.

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@BufftonBeotch, @Maindawg by and by, reagan really didn't recall, which is scary in and of itself. but at least we had nancy's astrologer running the country....

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@genessa That was a comment about knowledge of a theft.

@BufftonBeotch i expanded it )

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