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I'm not for the government shutdown. We must remember the past. I remember watching the SOTU address where Bill Clinton was speaking about illegal immigration. He received a thunderous applause from both parties.

RobertMartin 8 Jan 8
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If you are a white person living in the US you are all illegals, ask any native Indian.

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Robert most things need to be looked at in the historical context of the time it occurred.

At the time that Clinton made his plea, the typical illegal immigrant coming across the border was the adult male member of their families. They were primarily coming from Mexico with the intent of finding work in America, to send money home to their families back in Mexico. We were also coming off of a long period of intense immigration numbers flooding over the border 1.5 times freater than that today.

Presently, the typical immigrants today are comeing from Central America. They are fleeing tyranny and violence, not looking for jobs to send money back home (of course some will, but exceptions not the rule). Illegal immigration to date is lower by 1.5 million per year from 2004. The numbers are drastically decreasing. Its anything but a crisis.

Second, in 2008, just 48 hours after President Obama was inaugurated, exiting Speaker of the House. Mitch McConnell stated unieqivocally that he and the Republicans in Congress would do everything they could do assure that Obama was a one term president. The Republicans began (then Tea Party, now Freedom Caucus) an eight year campaign of blocking and denying Obama any legislation whatsoever. They lead the pattern that was to become known as obstructionism. Obama had absolutely no choice but to use his ability to shut down the govt. to get anything past. He had a Democratic Congress for his first two years, but the difficulty attached to formulating and passing medical reform was too much for the two years. He had no choice but to use what powers available to him, govt. shutdown, to address the issue.

The same is not true of Trump. He too had a Republican controlled Congress and Executive the first two years. The Republicans and Democrats offered his a bi-partison bill with 25 billion for the wall and a solution for the DACA population. After he said give me a bi-partisin bill and I'll sign it. He was, but then 24 yrs later he renege on his promise. This is a debacle of his own creation and bear nothing in resemblance to either Clintos situation or Obama's. Context is everything. Generalizations are falsehoods.

One final point. When the number of violent crimes committed against US citizens by illegal immigrants is compared to all violent crime in the US in a given year, is so statistically small as to be numerically insignificant. They constitute about 1/100th of one percent (0.01) when compared against all violent ctimes in America. More violence is perpetuated by white supremicists and white hate mongers than immigrant crime. His argument is fallacious.

It seems like a president will shut down the government to get his own way, much like a spoiled child

@RobertMartin. And boy do we gave one spoiled child in office now.

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What's your point?

Those who oppose Trump are against his statements regarding illegal immigration. Bill Clinton said basically the same thing, but there was no problem with it. Nowadays it seems like it is not WHAT is said but WHO says it. That's just how it looks to me.

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