I'm a Hunter, gun owner, from a long line of gun owners in Michigan. We don't need military grade weapons in civilian hands. For other guns we need to require background checks and certification like we do for handguns.

I doubt teachers would continue in their profession if they were asked to be trained to kill an active shooter. I mean how would this even work? With kids and teachers running every where how could they get a clean shot? I'd be afraid an innocent bystander would be hit. This is definitely not the answer. I can think of plenty of things that could go wrong. Most importantly, there's ALREADY an active shooter in the building killing innocent people. We need to prevent this from happening, not train for a gun battle.

If we could really have a genuine national discussion on this subject without the gunslingers foaming at the mouth and whining about taking our guns away we could talk about the difference in time between when the second amendment came into being and the present. The second amendment was adopted on December 15, 1791. The firearms that were around then were 1 shot fucken muskets or whatever and then it took you how long to reload and fire again? They were incapable of putting your finger on the trigger and firing without stopping round after round and killing untold numbers. It is insane to uphold something that may have been true in 1791 and say it's still the same today. Did psychotropic drugs exist in 1791? Maybe you could get drunk on moonshine and get 1 musket ball off but then you couldn't see straight to reload. Some body correct me if i am wrong but a very large percentage of these school massacres were done by individuals being treated with these psychotropic drugs for various behavioral ailments. The powers that be won't even admit to that so we could bring that out into the open for discussion. They will do nothing to limit the sales of firearms to perpetrators of domestic violence. I live less then 50 miles from Sutherland Springs, Tx. where that guy murdered all those people in church. Plenty of thoughts and prayers but nothing that means a shit. Their loving god didn't even protect them in his own house. The Las Vegas massacre was covered up and we probably will never know the truth about what happened. Yes, god works in mysterious ways but it only seems to benefit the rich and famous.

If we could really have a genuine national discussion on this subject without the gunslingers foaming at the mouth and whining about taking our guns away we could talk about the difference in time between when the second amendment came into being and the present. The second amendment was adopted on December 15, 1791. The firearms that were around then were 1 shot fucken muskets or whatever and then it took you how long to reload and fire again? They were incapable of putting your finger on the trigger and firing without stopping round after round and killing untold numbers. It is insane to uphold something that may have been true in 1791 and say it's still the same today. Did psychotropic drugs exist in 1791? Maybe you could get drunk on moonshine and get 1 musket ball off but then you couldn't see straight to reload. Some body correct me if i am wrong but a very large percentage of these school massacres were done by individuals being treated with these psychotropic drugs for various behavioral ailments. The powers that be won't even admit to that so we could bring that out into the open for discussion. They will do nothing to limit the sales of firearms to perpetrators of domestic violence. I live less then 50 miles from Sutherland Springs, Tx. where that guy murdered all those people in church. Plenty of thoughts and prayers but nothing that means a shit. Their loving god didn't even protect them in his own house. The Las Vegas massacre was covered up and we probably will never know the truth about what happened. Yes, god works in mysterious ways but it only seems to benefit the rich and famous.

I know and the fact that Congress will not even allow a study of the subject of gun violence, tells us all we need to know. We MUST vote blue and enact a complete study of the subject from all angles.
I even heard a former republican senator admit that if we want to see action on gun control don't keep voting for republicans.

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Definitely one of the toughest conundrums we're facing today. Some of the hardest things to work out, to me anyway, are the questions of what disqualifies a person from being fit (mentally/emotionally), who gets to decide if they are or not, what test do you need to pass, and how often should everyone get tested to make sure they're still fit? Those questions are already answered by our Fed. laws when it comes to hand guns, but long rifle laws vary from state to state. The biggest problem overall isn't so much people purchasing new weapons, but the whole resale system that we have. I'm not sure about all states, but here in NC, anyone can sell any gun, hand or long, to anyone without having a FFL dealer involved. As it is now across the country, only hand gun purchases need to have a dealer quickly call in a person's info to make sure they're legal to buy a hand gun, unless they already have a concealed carry permit. In order to get one of those, you have to go through an extensive SBI background check.
The bottom line is this; you can take all these facts, put them in a box and toss them out the window if you want to actually do something to stop the mentally ill and socially corrupt criminals from getting their hands on a gun... All the hoops in the world that you impose on law abiding citizens to jump through isn't going to stop them from getting a gun. Not a single gun bought and kept by a law abiding citizen has ever been used in a mass shooting. Psychos that want to get a gun and shoot people can get one with no problem. And just accept that these ''Gun Free Zones'' are a joke.. It's the perfect place to go to shoot up a bunch of people and not be met with someone else with a gun to stop you.. The bottom line is this; we're going to have to learn to protect ourselves.. get over it.. That means train all willing teachers to carry a weapon, hire armed guards for schools, malls, etc.. Think of all the great jobs that will create, especially for vets coming home needing work. And they're already extremely well trained,, and will show up,, everyday on time.. You think that will cost too much? I don't think it will cost more than the folks required to get trained to give mental health tests, and do background checks for gun permits. Just my take on it.. Cheers

Clearly we do not have a "well regulated militia" when children are wiped out en masse.
People who argue that they deserve military grade weapons are simply confused ammosexuals that don't care we're turning into a 3rd world country.
Furthermore the family of the man who designed the AR speaks : [time.com]

More bullshit because some people think their dick is much bigger if they have a gun. how can intelligence, wisdom and compassion and common sense ever be an equal to fucking stupid mono thinking?

The argument that more people need to be armed just doesn't hold water - mainly because a lot of the very people that would need to be armed for it to work (i.e. teachers) absolutely don't want to be armed. They wouldn't have the training to defend themselves, let alone the children under their care, simply because they don't want to have to do it and many find it morally abhorrent that they should be asked to shoot people.

Yeah, they just don’t get it that we’re not going to take their guns away. If you’re a responsible, law abiding citizen, you can still have your guns!

You were doing great until this:
GCO: YOU CAN'T TAKE MY GUNS AWAY!

Then you went too far from the actual arguments on both sides.

Mind you by the end you most likely are considered the need to take their guns away as they are obviously a bit paranoid and obsessed with guns, and that is never a good sign.

Yep, pretty damn accurate as I see it.