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@Marine

@Marine It's a a fancy way of saying conservative.

@Bignate901 Only if you believe that anyone who rejects collectivism and regressive leftist group identity politics is conservative.

@PBuck0145 Conservatives are very collectivist. People in any complex society are collectivist. That's literally how this shit works.

@Bignate901 Only for those incapable of independent thought.

@Bignate901 Classical republicans did care about people---just look at Abe.

@Marine That was before the "Southern Strategy".

@PBuck0145 I get it people suck. People that are upset by our shortcomings shouldn't checkout. Run for office, vote, protest and convince citizens.
I'm pretty far left and constantly disappointed by War mongering Neoconservatives trading places with Center Right Democrats trying vainly to appeal to conservative voters on Pennsylvania Ave.

@Bignate901 Now I understand. I wish they would stop coming up with labels for opinions within the parties and just be dems or reps or what ever

@Marine Party partisanship IS the problem. More independent thought is warranted. Much better to support a philosophy than a political party.

@PBuck0145 The problem is that that independent thought needs a home otherwise it is just wasted and that is why one must choose the party that supports most if not all their ideas.

@Marine Your viewpoint benefits politicians, not ordinary citizens. The U.S. needs a proportional representation system, which would encourage widely supported, stable policies, instead of the current policies which oscillate between two political perspectives.

@PBuck0145 I agree with your concerns but I do not see any way to place them in a realistic position without electing what we have. I do not see any possible way to implement your ideas in our system.How would you make it happen?

@Marine Though not currently evident, the U.S. is already somewhat closer than Britain or Canada. Members of the U.S. Congress can theoretically vote according to their constituents' wishes and in defiance of their party leaders, though that is extremely rare in today's political environment.

IMHO the most effective way to make congress more impartial would be a strong third independent party which is centrist and egalitarian. If no party in the House or the Senate had a clear majority, the parties would be forced to cooperate and collaborate, producing more universally acceptable and stable legislation.

With a three-party legislative branch, there could be a real opportunity to change the system to one wherein political power is divorced from wealth and plutocracy.

@PBuck0145 I totally agree with you however, the third party can never muster enough voters to make things happen. The CEO of Starbucks wants to run but if he is elected and has no support from those already elected by the two parties he will fail. The only way a 3rd party system would work is if they could elect a base in the Senate and House then your idea would fly! Nice talking with you. Have a nice day

Pick a winner and support them

@Marine Here in Texas, there are very few Democrats that even run in local elections.

@jlynn37 That cannot be the case they must get out there and be heard even if they loose for now.

@Marine Don't get me wrong as I agree with all that you say, it is just what rational person wants to spend gobs of money only to loose in the end and for nothing ?

@jlynn37 I know the feeling I ran for office in a no win situation and lossed by 1 vote.

That is why we miust get off our duffs and make noise.

@Marine , Ky has closed primaries. You can't vote unless you claim dem or repug. No independents allowed. How fucked up is that.

@freeofgod Declare a party so you can vote and get around the stupid rule.

@Marine I do. But an amazing number of residents don't even know that rule exists. so they register as independents and then aren't allowed to vote.

I consider myself a progressive liberal but I am also an independent thinker and there are aspects of the Democratic party that I am at odds with but today's conservative, evangelical controlled GOP has absolutely nothing that I agree with or offers me and a LOT that will resist at all costs.

I am confused ,What issues do you find we need.

@jlynn37 Thank you.

@jlynn37 Evangelicals started running the world with reagan. I was reading last night about the religious left taking a stand but they are running years behind.