Caesar’s Messiah: “the Roman conspiracy to invent Jesus” (YouTube)
The gist is, the Romans invented Jesus in order to provide Jews a more malleable and meeker version in order to subdue to more aggressive Jews in the uprising.
There is no physical description of Jesus as a man in the gospels. This makes sense, as they argue Jesus is a myth created from a multitude of pre-existing literal characters like “Osiris and Horus”, “isis and Horus”, and or “Maia and Krishna.”
Here is an interesting tidbit: the word “gospel” is Roman translated from The Greek word “evangelion” which meant “good news of military victory.” .... Roman victories ....
The Romans used a propaganda tool in Jesus as a peaceful tool in a war zone (Judea).
It’s 2500 years later. The Romans presented themselves as desirable as conquerors. GWB presented himself as liberators in Iraq. Nothing changes, ever.
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.I've been intrigued by Caesar's Messiah ever since it came out and can see increasingly how the New Testament was perhaps the original "Fake News" or more accurately "Fake History" used by the government as propaganda to subdue the people.
It's chilling to see some of the same strategies employed in our current political arena. I wish more Christians would consider the possibility of this scholarly question regarding the origins of the New Testament as relevant.
Julie808
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Feb 4, 2019
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the link is interesting. I have always found it interesting that the Roman Emperor Constantine would decide to convert to the religion of non-romans and slaves, The Romans went from feeding christians to lions to being christian. I suspect the emperor found only having one god superior to having many to maintain power. These are just my thoughts on how religion and politics might have interacted
Paladin03
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Feb 4, 2019
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there may have been a roman conspiracy to FURTHER deify the newly invented jesus, but if the apostle paul existed (never mind if jesus existed), he and the greeks started that up. (of course the romans copied everything greek!) jesus is even a greek name. thing is, there is an old (i mean OLD!) jewish expression that translates as "he's a real son of god!" it was said of someone who was pious and wasn't meant to be taken literally. when paul went to greece to get everyone there on board, he told them about judaism (they were really not interested in getting circumcized as adults, and they were loath to abandon their only real industries: raising pigs and fishing, including for shellfish. however, the idea of a "real son of god" was just the kind of thing they already believed. zeus was always coming down to earth and raping/impregnating human women. this concept they could dig. so paul had a choice to make: convert the greeks to judaism, which not only were they not going along with at all but which just isn't done (jews don't proselytize!) or get them to worship jesus (not, as i've mentioned, his real name, if he even existed, but that's a whole OTHER ball of wax). he chose the latter. christianity is born! anything the romans did after that is reinvention, not invention.
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genessa
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Feb 4, 2019
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I have this documentary and it's quite watchable. I posted it to my Google drive and will leave it there for a couple of days if you want to grab it and watch it. Either download or install VLC Player to stream it.
Jontom2017
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Feb 4, 2019
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It was Nero who propelled xianity into the spotlight. Someone needed to be blamed for Rome burning. The xians were a handy lot. The only issue was that they were a little too spectacular when fed to the lions. When given the chance to live and renounce their faith or to be eaten... They held strong and would rather die than renounce their faith.
But Nero ended up with the Domus Aurea... Which is what he wanted all along.
Similar to our orange headed buffoon in the WH... Nero had no idea of the ill and lasting effects his diseased brain would cause. Let us pray the story ends exactly the same!
RiverRick
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Feb 4, 2019
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There are no record of Jeebus in roman records. It was the other way around. They wanted to overthrow the Roman army. So they made up a god. Around the time, there is no mention of such a person outside of the bible. No one that wrote the bible ever met him. Except Josephous which has proven to be a forgery for hundreds of years.
TheGreatShadow
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Feb 4, 2019
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I read a history of those times and apparently messiahs were a dime a dozen. Several times, some amassed followers and made a general nuisance of themselves to the Romans, but most were like street corner preachers of today, standing and proclaiming this or that. Oddly, I read that at times there were competing messiahs. When you think about it, not that much different from today wit various cults and odd ball religions running around.
@Marcel3405 There is no mention of enslaved jews outside of the bible either...
@yamaha45701 If you watch Monty Pythons Life of Brian, the street preaching is probably spot on.
@Marcel3405 Christ comes from Christos. That is Latin for the holy one, or the anointed one. It is not a name, but a title. Last names were virtually non-existent at that time. His name would have been something like Jesus son of Joseph. Or translated Joshua son of Joseph.
@Marcel3405 I think that is more likely than the Romans inventing him. The Jews were desperate for a new Messiah to take the place of the earlier saviours Moses and Joshua[ Both actually thought to be fictional characters . The Roman army was all powerful and didn't need to invent messiahs to quell the population of Palestine.
@Moravian I was going to make that point. If they can't overtake them their new god would smite them. I think that's how that happened.
@TheGreatShadow yes, he was known as 'the Christ' rather than Jesus Christ ( like Bill Brown ?)
@yamaha45701 competing messiahs reminds me of dueling banjos..
@TheGreatShadow I believe Christ or \Christos means the anointed one.
@Moravian That is true. That's what I said.
@TheGreatShadow Doh!. sorry I didn't see that. Jesus/Joshua was 100% Jewish and the gospels initially make him a Jewish saviour. He had to be of the line of David and he had to be born in Bethlehem to fulfill prophecy. The fictional census ensured that he was born there. I read recently that Mary was also of the line of David which is a new one to me. Of course if Joseph wasn't his realfather some other line of succession had to be found;
The gospels stories are so full of holes that Poirot could have solved the case in five minutes but he was supposedly executed for sedition but by whom. Pilate supposedly washed his hands of the case so was he killed by the Jews. Why if he was seen as a saviour.?
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