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If you say you are 100 percent certain there is no god, doesn’t this saddle you with a burden of proof? I do happen to believe you are correct, but I can’t say that I am 100 percent certain without the evidence to back up this claim. Granted, I’m also not 100 percent certain on whether Leprechauns exist, but in both cases, gods and leprechauns, I would be extremely freaked out to find out they do exist. Aren’t people who assert they are 100 percent certain there is no god entering the realm of faith?

Sandman07 5 Mar 15
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Ok, as an agnostic I am 99.9999% sure that no God exists. Nothing is absolute. My question is why people expend all this energy in debating this topic? Given the endless debates it boils down that no argument for gods holds up.

I’m just curious about the folks who state they are 100% sure that no god(s) exist. Are they not now in the same boat as their theist counterpart? How can either party be 100% sure of their belief? Where are they getting their information? But you are right. It is a pretty useless topic to waste energy on. I’m just trying to build up my site points! 😀

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I am an agnostic - anti-theist.

I'm with Penn Jillette on this:
Agnostic and atheist answer two different questions:
We cannot know fur shur how our universe started: agnostic (without knowledge)
There ain't no all powerful invisible critters fucking with humans on the earth: atheist (there is no reliable proof of such beings)

And I agree with Sam, and Christopher,... I am an anti-theist because I oppose religionists imposing their mental illness on all us good folks.

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There are infinite make believe things. I don't need to iteratively disprove them. There's no obligation.

Or look at it another way around... prove that the opposite exists, that there is a "higher power". There would some sort of evidence, that's how existence works. No evidence, no existance. Contradiction. That's a valid proof.

Also, induction.... To prove that a higher power exists, we would have to accept he idea that the higher power knows everything (Some indefinable number)... so the higher power must know at least some definable number of things too. And then that number minus 1... And so on. So prove the higher power knows even just one thing. Can't be done. That really goes back to contradiction, but the point is that higher power power can't be induced. It's a belief.

Last type of proof... deduction. That would require evidence that would make any option but a higher power, impossible. But the whole concept of a higher power is based on accepting the idea that somehow the impossible,is in fact possible. For that to be true, it is necessary that no evidence exists. Therefore by deduction, a higher power can't exist.

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if i say i am 100 percent certain there is no tooth fairy, am i similarly burdened? am i so burdened no matter how ridiculous the claim? if i feel that the claim that there is a god is so ridiculous that i am 100 percent certain it's wrong, why do i have to waste my time and energy providing proof that i am right? first of all, i would then have to provide proof of the lack of existence of every other god too, and some other supernatural entities as well, and second of all, i really don't care whether i convince anyone that there are no gods. i may state what i believe without requiring others to believe as i do.

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The burden of proof has no 'saddle'. Prove on side, prove the other. It doesn't matter. No one will change their minds because of 'proof' -- so of what value is it? Me? I'm 100% sure that this are no gods of any kind. And I don't need to prove myself to anyone. If you need my proof, what does that say about you? (not you specifically -- just you in context with the statement)

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99.9999.....% certain, but bear in mind that even with that tiny margin it is only a deist god, in other words maybe the universe has an intelligence hidden in its structure. When it comes to the god/gods of religion 100%, if only because they are self contradictory by nature and therefore can not exist.

Yes, I agree. Gods of religion are contradictory and therefore are not even in the running. They make no logical sense and can be dismissed at 100 percent surety. It is the deist god that is unfalsifiable that I’m referring to. I can’t be 100 percent sure of their nonexistence because I simply can’t know that information…no one can.

If I say I am 100 percent certain that unfalsifiable god/gods do not exist, than I am no longer just questioning a claim, I am now making a claim. I see no way of avoiding that conclusion.

But, on the other hand, the fact that none of these gods manifest themselves in reality makes their possible existence irrelevant. And as other people have pointed out, you could go on forever inventing creatures that are unfalsifiable so it seems it is an exercise in futility.

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That's why some of us choose to be Agnostic!

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Yeah that would put the burden of proof on me, but that's not my claim.

I have no knowledge claim because supernatural beings and realms are inherently non-falsifiable. Nothing useful can be said about them or deduced from them.

As a knock-on effect of that, I don't afford belief to the unsubstantiated. So I don't believe there's no god; rather, I simply decline to believe what I can't justify believing.

The vast majority of atheists, if you press them, are saying the same thing. The path from "there's no evidence for god" leads to various semantic shortcuts (that would be completely non-controvertial in any other context) and sometimes sloppy wording to an apparent stance of "god is so ridiculously unlikely" or even "there is no god", but the root problem is lack of evidence leading to indifference.

This is far less palatable to a believer than the notion that atheists are god-haters or arrogant asses, or both, so ... hilarity ensues.

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