Quran: Chapter 9 verse 14:
“Make war on them so that Allah may punish them by your hands and humiliate them, and help you against them, and heal the hearts of a faithful folk,”
Now if you are wondering about the context then know this that the above verse was revealed when the severed head of Muhammad’s arch rival Abu Jahl was placed on his lap by a Jihadi. Abu Jahl was killed by two Jihadi children.
Revenge and vindications by sword can never bring peace to my civilised understanding.
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.Islam: stuck on retarded since the 7th century.
RobertMartin
Level 8
Apr 4, 2019
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Your writing shows an academic immaturity for someone who claims erudition. Scholarly texts are taken out of context along with rhetorical and leading statements, some of which I have identified below
“Remarkable prophecies were made regarding Ishmael and his descendants. “
“Foreboding indication”
“...should be of interest to Bible students in these days of political conflict.”
“History has amply illustrated the warlike temperament of the Arabian people.”
“bloody history of the Arabs”
“rugged people,”
There is no argument presented within your writing, merely opinion. Please desist from insulting the intelligence of those here. Unless anyone here would like to call me out for being unreasonable of course.
Geoffrey51
Level 8
Apr 4, 2019
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What is your point? Your point of view? Simply attacking him without a countervailing position is not helpful.
@Storm1752 my point is that this member posts on the same subject frequently with no argued response. For my viewpoint on lease see my responses to other posts of this poster.
@Geoffrey51 Oh okay so this is an ongoing thing...
@Storm1752 yes, the same discussion point with no apologetic to his position other than all Islam is terroristic. The same could be said for Far Right ideology which is deeply rooted in Christianity but there is not the same vitriol extant about the Christian religion.
I only know a few followers of Islam and each one is a lovely, respectful human being. Enough of this Muslim bashing. It’s getting ugly now and no longer funny.?
Geoffrey51
Level 8
Apr 4, 2019
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Hating an ideology and hating the followers are not the same. I have been debating Islam for and against worldwide for over 36 years. I am both academically, professionally and in every other aspect well groomed to discuss Islam. I hate the disease but not the diseased. I have been taking a huge risk on my life trying to criticise Islam. No, not all religion and Islam are the same. Give me the context of the verses from the Quran I put here and prove me the context to be anything else than what it appear to be prima facie.
I know the Quran upside down, inside out. I would have given my life defending the Muslims from the attacker in Christchurch, But I will also give my life speaking against Islam. We won't be fooled any more. We ex Muslims have suffered a lot. No, we won't be fooled any more. Find me a single verse from the Quran where it orders to love people regardless of their faith and beliefs or to love universally without the precondition of loving "Allah" first. But I will be able to show you such verses from all other major scriptures regardless of filths in them as well. Here is another one for you: Chapter 8, verse 55 of the Quran: Indeed, the worst of living creatures in the sight of Allah are those who have disbelieved, and they will not [ever] believe -!!
Come on tell me the context.
@mufassil I’m sure you’re right. Let’s agree to differ on the spirit of Islam. Your experience is obviously greater than mine.
To my way of seeing it the Islamic Fundies are doing a kind of 'catch-up' to what the Christians have done for almost 2,000 years.
No, I am NOT condoning any of it in any way, shape nor form because at least 90% of religions, especially the 3 main Abrahamic based ones, preach, expound and strive for Dominance of and over ALL of Humankind with ABSOLUTE and Unwavering Obedience, discrimination against those who choose NOT to be dominated, etc, etc.
Triphid
Level 9
Apr 3, 2019
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Please just say hello and what do you need? Do you feel lonely and need attention? If you choose to be in an "AGNOSTIC COMMUNITY" it's because you want to improve yourself as a human being. If you want to be heal from the wounds of your bad religion experience LET IT GO.
Cecilia2018
Level 7
Apr 3, 2019
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yes and most muslims live normal lives, according to the rules of law of their home nations, including the united states, and do not make war on anyone, any more than christians in general follow this: zechariah 14:2 i will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. nor do i know of any jews who are actually stoning adulterers to death. you cannot judge modern practitioners of a religion by their ancient texts, but rather byhow they interpret and live them. you cannot judge muslims by islamists, you cannot judge christians by westboro and you cannot judge jews by the ultra-orthodox (who, by the way, are STILL not stoning anyone to death). you can understand that religion itself is ridiculous and many of its practitioners delusional, but you cannot smear everyone who is affiliated with a certain religion with the actions of its extremists or with the more gruesome aspects of its ancient texts. well, actually, you can, and i see that you do, but you cannot do it correctly, accurately or truthfully.
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genessa
Level 8
Apr 3, 2019
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@David_Cooper i have seen no such poll and i don't believe it exists, but i HAVE seen the muslims that made a circle of their own bodies around synagogues to protect jews from being attacked. they were not in the minority. how do YOU know what muslims hide? you don't. they don't. also it's not that when muslims are in the minority they behave better. it's that where there is no sharia law muslims are free to be normal people. you are confusing politics with religion. as for your second paragraph, it is bullshit from start to finish. i don't have the time or energy to pick it apart. every single thing in it is false. you are the one preaching hatred here. shame on you.
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@icolan thank you! you saved me the trouble. based on my experience of both groups, i still contend, as i suspect you do too, that most muslims do not live by the violent bits any more than most christians do. they live normal lives. the more religious they are, the more in danger either type of theist is of taking such commands to heart, but it takes a lot for that to happen. your muslim neighbor is almost certainly no more out to kill you than your christian neighbor is.
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@David_Cooper what i don't understand is how anyone could interpret anything i've said as defending hatred.
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@David_Cooper interesting how 1. you ignore my question (in response to an accusation you made against me) and 2. you compare peaceful muslims living normal lives in american communities and NOT having neighbors disappear into death camps, NOT being members of terrorist groups and often speaking out AGAINST terrorist groups with nazis. you don't know anything about history OR current events, do you? -- nor how to have a reasonable debate. if you're going to ignore my question and change the subject and make false conflations, then i guess there is no point in continuing the dialogue. it's futile. you act like the pigeon who shits on the chess board and thinks it's won the game. think what you like; you're not my problem. maybe someone elsereading this will understand what i say.
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@David_Cooper okay whatever. i'm done with you. deny all you want but you DID TOO do what i said you did. for my own convenience i will block you. then i won't be tempted to reason with you anymore, since that is obviously futile.
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@icolan you're making too much sense. it doesn't work. sense is meaningless to people who push hatred this way. i am glad you said what you said, for the sake of others who may otherwise be influenced by his bad reasoning, but i know you know he won't buy it, either because he cannot or because it doesn't fit into his agenda.
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“Make war on them so that Allah may punish them by your hands... "
Passages like this are very revealing. Why would an omnipotent being, in control of all the cosmic power in the universe, need a bunch of primitive, pathetic, and powerless humans to enact his will for him?
The short answer is, he wouldn't. If he were real he'd do his own smiting. Would a creature with an ego as big as GOD, (or Allah or whatever your god's name is) be satisfied watching armies of men rending one another with swords, hurling rocks, and splitting heads in his name when he could demonstrate his own awesome power by destroying his enemies with big, show-offy displays of might: earthquakes, hurricanes, tsunamis, shit like that, rather than sending thousands of men to punch and claw at each other?
No matter how obvious God's non-existence is made, people still insist on believing in this bullshit.
People are dumb.
Sgt_Spanky
Level 8
Apr 3, 2019
1
Excellent point.
You're not much fun are you. If you have the intellect please try discussing something that is not faith based. We all know the pros and cons of all religions here. Something not related to your crusade would be good!
Geoffrey51
Level 8
Apr 3, 2019
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He's on an almost religious crusade against, what was once, his own religion. Move on mate, move on.
No one was "wondering".
Most people here don't care any more or less about islam than any other religion.
No one is really interested in an explanation of anything about it.
I deride islam, and ridicule it, just like all the others.
Islam is bullshit. It serves no useful purpose. All it does is incite violence.
KKGator
Level 9
Apr 3, 2019
4
It is just an "Us v. Them" doctrine and mentality, as are ALL religions and politics.
@OwlInASack Of course, there are good people and there are bad people regardless and in spite of religions and/or politics.
@OwlInASack On this site???? Where??
@OwlInASack I disagree with you on that one. I've seen no such "narrative".
@OwlInASack I'll take your word for it. I see no more derision for islam than all the rest of them.
@OwlInASack Oh yeah, just like the Conquistadors weren't ALL Christians! MOST of them had nothing to do with wiping out whole civilizations and millions of people! No, don't blame THEM...they're fine!
@David_Cooper Everyone is going to do what they do. No way around it.
I detest islam, just like I detest every other religion.
I'm not going to allow anyone to defend another man-made religion, I don't care what it is.
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