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Minister says virgin birth is bizarre claim, prayer doesn't really work, maybe nothing happens after we die, we make heaven or hell here on earth, etc. Maybe I'm a minister now also.
[nytimes.com]

greyeyed123 7 Apr 20
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I wouldn't mind going to that church, except that they would still beg for money all the time.

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Virgin birth of a g_d is not at all unique.

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Very interesting, she sound very centered on her concepts.

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How about we stop saying "virgin birth" and say what we are really talking about: God impregnating a woman from the heavens, with or without her consent.

I mean, really? Sure, that is what Gods do - knock women up so they can visit in human form.

Even in early Christian variants of the religion they thought that was a crock. To think that some people today really believe that. Boggling.

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Virgin birth is technologically straightforwards today. Who knows what technologies were available briefly in the past.

What you alluded to about what we have today, is obviously not what anyone had in mind by "virgin birth" in the past.

@MST3K assumption?

@Francool Well, we know that they didn't have artificial insemination. Or at least, we have no good reason to think they did. On the other hand, one could say anything is possible. As far as I'm aware, there is no good reason to think that it was possible back then.

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I hope this works. If it doesn't, the time stamp I'm referencing is about 3:41.

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Would that then mean that Christianity was a lie? No, faith is stronger than that.

Uh....sure! "Faith" means we can ignore facts and make up shit!

Maybe this is how they are reaching out to atheists. They just agree with us. About everything.

@greyeyed123 Hmmmm.....maybe. Or maybe, they're just terrified that they've been wrong?

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wtf. how... I maybe a minister as well?

Yeah, as in...I don't believe any of that stuff either.

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Some of that seems like he is possibly on the path of being a "Jesus" mythicist.

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He also says the resurrection probably didn't happen. What is it that makes someone a Christian if they don't believe anything most Christians believe, lol? I'm confused.

Sounds like the minister is working through some doubts of his own.

@KKGator Definitely not the party line

Everyone has their own path to atheism. You didn't mention the denomination of the minister. In some churches such views are more acceptable than in others.

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