Going to a First Communion ceremony tomorrow as an unofficial "uncle" not related by blood. I was supportive of the mom when she was a child and did this, and am the same for her daughter. It's an easy gesture to do, as they both know about my godlessness and as such, I feel I am a good representative for non-belief.
I'm excited for her because she's excited about it. I am never a wet blanket about the traditions they follow, but am always willing to share my views if asked. My First Communion was a big deal to me at the time too.
When I'm in a church for a funeral, the thoughts that go through my head are how we as humans cling to hope of those we love not being gone from us forever. I'm sure a child has no real idea of what the concept of blood atonement really is (I know I didn't at the time), but gets something out of the sense of community.
Her memory of my participation will be one of someone who is undeniably a member of the community that loves her.
Something that came to mind witnessing that shared experience by the adherents.
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"Vonnegut found another “echo of the Sermon on the Mount” in the work of Mark Twain. In a talk he gave on the hundredth anniversary of the completion of Mark Twain’s “fanciful house in Hartford, Connecticut,” Vonnegut declared himself “a skeptic of the divinity of Christ…confirmed of my skepticism by Mark Twain in my formative years.” He then cited these words of the author as “a profoundly Christian statement, an echo of the Beatitudes:”
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When I find a well-drawn character in fiction or biography, I generally take a warm personal interest in him, for the reason that I have known him before—met him on the river….
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“The river, of course, is life,” Vonnegut said. “Mark Twain is saying what Christ said in so many ways: that he could not help loving anyone in the midst of life.”"
Speaking of Kurt...
"Any time I see a person fleeing from reason and into religion, I think to myself, There goes a person who simply cannot stand being so goddamned lonely anymore."
~ Kurt Vonnegut -- “Palm Sunday: An Autobiographical Collage”
Being an atheist does not prevent me or impede me to go to certain religious activities I am invited to, people know I am an atheist, my presence there is akin to being a jew invited to a christening, or a catholic invited to a Bar Mitzvah, I am not there to convert anyone to atheism nor there to be converted, just attending a social event as being an atheist is not the same as being an antisocial.
Very true. I do not proselytize. Those close to me already know, and if the subject happens to come up, if appropriate I might choose exchange views. One thing discussed at the gathering afterward, was the current practice of sex changes for minors. We all seemed to agree that is wrong to alter/reassign a child's gender through hormones or surgery. That would be a decision for the individual adult.
I also shared my experience at my Confirmation ceremony. I remember the priest presiding over it in his comments to all of us said, "If you don't get anything out of going to mass on Sunday to fellowship with other Catholics... for God's sake, don't go!"
It took a few years down the line for that to really sink in (though I was never much of a churchgoer regardless).
My brother asked me to be Godfather to his eldest. Couldn't do it. Couldn't stand up in front of all those people and lie. He and his wife were kinda pissed. I think he came to understand my position, but she never liked me, and probably never will. Oh well.
I would think there would be a way to be an atheist Godfather. To state your intentions as being supportive of the child, while openly rejecting the elements you consider superstition.
That would certainly make for an interesting ceremony.
I think the point of life is to support each other, not cut each other down for believing in a philosophy that make them try to be a better person. In this respect, atheists and agnostics can be just as obnoxious and cruel the way religious people can be with their beliefs.
agree, but it can be hard when adults teach kids superstition and myths as truth. I became an atheist before I knew there was a word for what I didn"t believe in. Living a delutional life should not be cosidered the only choice.
I'm going to my niece's communion in a couple of weeks. I'm supporting her, not religion. I want to be a positive male influence in her life. It would be childish and selfish of me to not attend and not show her my support just because I'm Agnostic and don't support religion or because there are criminal priests or aggression started because of religion.
I completely understand where you're coming from.
Will write more later, but I generally find the rituals largely alien now (ex-Catholic).
I was quite proud of myself when I penned this and still feel it's quite valid. I was the "atheist chaplain" (staff advisor to the student atheist group) at my university. I worked at making godlessness part of the "godview" in the Office of Religious Life.
We live in a world where coexistence is beneficial and can help all come to new understandings, particularly with regard to freethought.
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"People are =/= to their religion
I am most definitely an infidel in that I have no belief in any god or gods. A person’s individual godview is the most basic right possible that a human being can have. I personally reject Islam, Judaism, and Christianity (among others)…but do not reject Muslims, Jews, and Christians. A person’s religion and religious culture are most predictably based on their family of origin, where they were born (geography), and when they were born (i.e. no Xians pre-Christ).
I stand with all people on the planet willing to work together as a species to live peacefully with each other and our environment. That does not change regardless of the actions of some who think their ‘godview’ justifies any number of horrible acts.
I reject those who use such acts to demonize people who are damned for nothing more than ‘guilt by association.’"
~ LanceThruster
Hey I am a Godparent and became one as an Atheist. It just meant I would help morally guide the child in the absence of a parent.
And as it turned out one parent died young.
I had no problem standing up for that purpose - back on the day - despite the silly costumes on two of us.
Not all parts of religion are without merit.
I most often see it as an opportunity to represent for freethought, and express that my support is strictly from a humanist perspective.
I'm not so sure I could be so tolerant myself... I know I would not attend a Klan rally no matter what connection I felt with a member or their child? Too much pain and suffering in the world is committed in the name of religion - any religion ...but I am not just an atheist I am an anti-theist. It would be a dilemma for me.
Raised Catholic myself. Not quite the Klan in my eyes (the people... the hierarchy is another matter). I think me being a known infidel showing the colors is a positive. At least I won't eat any babies in front of them.
@WilliamCharles - don't get me started on the Catholic church of pedophilia... there was just too many cover-ups to be dismissed - the only logical conclusion is that many current Bishops and Cardinals in control are probably complicit if not personally guilty - and probably only perpetuated the situation to cover for their own crimes - does it really matter if they are among the guilty or those that simply turned a blind eye?
Very true, although I remember reading that the percentage of child molesters among other groups (teachers, Protestants, JWs, Orthodox Jews, etc.) was roughly the same.
The Catholic Church hierarchy has a horrible record of dealing with the problem.
Another comparison I would make as far as directing outrage to the proper target is the US military. There are most definitely war criminals in combat operations, and some see anyone involved in the military at all as culpable. I don't think that is entirely fair.
@WilliamCharles There is no comparison to the world influence of this morally corrupt institution - its like saying there were some very good Nazi's among the Charleston white supremacy marchers ???
And yet Hogan's Heroes made it to TV. Hell, just being an American makes me part of a murderous band of ratfuckers.
I don't see that great a benefit in cutting all ties with family and friends over their religious delusions considering.
@WilliamCharles - I do not condemn your choice - it just would not be my choice. Participating in a moral philosophy I find unacceptable would be tantamount to accepting their philosophy that I find unacceptable - we all have to define our views that will reflect our tolerance for injustice in favor of familiar acceptance....
So glad you can all be together for her important event. I know there are others who would never participate in a religious ceremony but this hasn't been an issue for me.
I also don't care about spectator sports, but never have a problem showing support for children when called for.
Sweet!
It's a ways away and I'll be getting up quite early to get there, but it's a big deal to me to support her and her family.
Excellent supportive of family they are tolerant of others that is important
Thx. That's the way I look at it.