Which one is oppressed? One, both or none?
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.You can look at it as neither are oppressed or both are. But the "job" of being a nun is one you can walk away from, whereas a Muslim woman would have a much harder time trying to resist what she is ordered to wear or where she could go or what she could do. So in one sense she is more "oppressed," in that she has more restrictions on her overall. And the nun accepted the habit voluntarily, so her oppression is less. BUT I don't think anyone but the woman, in either scenario, should be making the choice. Societies around the world have created rules that say head coverings should not be worn because they represent oppression. But saying "you must not wear your head covering" to a Muslim woman may be extremely traumatic for her. She could go out and get a job if she is allowed to wear the head covering. If you say she cannot wear it, that forces her back into the home or she can pick only from jobs in the Muslim community. I agree with government policies that say the face should not be covered; that is important in identifying people. But I think that requiring women not to wear a head covering is just anti-Islam bias masquerading as secular "rules for everyone." Would a society require an Amish woman to remove HER head covering? I bet not. Then why require it of a Muslim woman?
citronella
Level 7
May 7, 2019
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I'm going with the Muslim woman being oppressed as in many of Muslim societies they are forced to dress that way or be ostracized.
lerlo
Level 8
May 7, 2019
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so you are saying the Church, especially the early church gave nuns options on what they could wear?
@Tiramisu nope but just like any other job where you have to wear a uniform, you choose to take the job, you choose to wear the uniform. Muslim women don't have the choice when they go out on the street as to what they're going to wear in some societies.
It was my impression that Catholic nuns have not worn the habit for years...at least those in my area anyway.
dahermit
Level 7
May 7, 2019
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Nuns in my area...
@thinktwice They are covered head to toe, arrn't they?
@Tiramisu yes...modesty is part of many religions...so is practicality and a myriad of other factors...including beliefs about the place of women...we might agree, but is it really oppression all the time? Nuns are nuns by choice...not all Muslim women adorn the traditional garb...especially when living in other countries...if you look at a country like Japan, the traditional kimono covered women and elaborate wigs covered their hair..
@thinktwice Wowsa! The nuns in my experience, the Catholic schools in Ludington, MI, ("Sisters of Mercy" , (a teaching order), abandoned the habits in the very early sixties as did a teaching nun who lived in my building in 1986, Hillsdale, MI.
Why do we feel we own the definition of "oppression"?
I have Muslim female friends who do not feel oppressed and have explained their culture and beliefs to me in a way that makes perfect sense once I took my own definition off the table...
Not all nuns feels oppressed either (note the spelling error in the meme....ha)...
thinktwice
Level 8
May 7, 2019
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yes, please let one "S' pass. lol, you are right, I have seen that Muslim men in most Arab countries are covered too. Nobody can fun in the open because of sand storms.
@Tiramisu You are not responsible for the meme...ha ha...but I find that most that are misspelled are created to be divisive...
Catholic women used to cover their heads...lots of things are "used to"...as people changed and adapted...of course, I don't like the "forced" part of anything...but I find it arrogant that we Americans think everything everyone else does is by force and not choice...it is not OUR choice so we put that on the entire world...
@thinktwice Correct. the meme is fixed.
@Tiramisu cool...
Whatever, it's their choice
Brerrost
Level 6
May 7, 2019
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I agree some people prefer to be controlled.
@Tiramisu I laugh because when I was growing up, people thought my big, 6'3", 260 pound father was the boss of our house because he married my Japanese mother...my mom ruled the house but my father was a willing participant...ha ha ha
@thinktwice In my marriage I resented it but I am willing to be submissive to women today like I never thought I would, is that normal? lol
@Lorajay .. not all about being controlled.. cultural tradition. I wish my dear sister-in-law the freedom to do as she pleases. During this Ramadan season she only covers for Mosque visits, it is her tradition, her culture. I managed to break with the traditions/culture of my up bringing, but will not be cruel to those that do not. Ignorance works both ways.
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