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a more enlightened and logical perspective though still a Christian (Methodist) one - [dailykos.com]

Allamanda 8 May 17
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I think the abortion debate is a lot deeper than most people realize. It asks the question: does an individual have the right to make decisions about their own body if that decision harms or kills another person?

I wish the debate were framed in this way more often because it would keep it focused on the abstract idea rather than on the specifics.

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Bottom line?

The entire anti-abortion argument is based on one side of a theological debate. The anti-abortionists are trying to use law to impose their religious beliefs (i.e., that one side) on the rest of us. Last time I checked that is a violation of the First Amendment.

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The reply button seems to be dead again. Here's the untrue statement:

It can be said with absolute certainty that ancient scripture does not consider a zygote or a fetus even to be alive, because it has not yet drawn breath.

Your eyes saw my embryo, and on your scroll every day was written that was being formed for me, before any one of them had yet happened. Psalm 139:16.

I'll get some scriptures to place doubt on the 'life is associated with breathing' tomorrow.

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To be honest, though, I thought the writer was being very selective in the choice of verses and made at least one very untrue statement.

The idea that a living creature can only be defined as a breathing creature doesn’t hold up in the face of scriptures like these:

If anyone from the house of Israel or a foreigner living among them eats any blood, I will set My face against that person and cut him off from among his people. For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make an atonement for your souls upon the altar, since it is the lifeblood that makes atonement. Therefore I say to the Israelites, ‘None of you may eat blood, nor may any foreigner living among you eat blood.’… - Leviticus 17:10-12.

I’m very ignorant about medical things but I think I read somewhere that blood is passed from the mother to the foetus to bring in food and remove waste.

So I think the article writer has created a theory and then only used information to confirm his or her idea.

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