I think the problem is not with faith but with insisting that God's Kingdom be instituted before its time by human beings, according to their prejudices. A real Christian would wait for that kingdom and live quietly and decently in the meantime.

I think that's a myth. I believe science is as dogmatic as religion and forces its members to toe the line about its belief system.

@brentan True science isn't dogmatic, and it isn't a belief system. It is a process for discovery, and by its' very design can't be dogmatic. Puedo-science on the other hand, is dogmatic because you are starting with the conclusion and proving it with baseless claims.

Science is not a belief system.

@brentan you think? You believe? Based on what? Please enlighten us.

@Mofo1953 One thing that comes straight to mind is Rupert Sheldrake's The Science Delusion.

@Mofo1953, @Happy_Killbot Science is a belief system ever since Descartes decided everything in the universe is materialistic including the human mind. Try going against that nonsense and nobody in science will work with you.

@brentan Descartes is revered for his work in mathematics more so than his philosophies. In particular, laying the foundation of Cartesian coordinates and his work in geometry.

A lot of his philosophical work such as dualism is what laid the foundation for many prominent modern pseudo-scientific "discoveries" such as the pineal gland somehow connecting to or containing the soul. No credible scientist and no credible science suggests this.

If you are a scientist and you don't go against that nonsense, nobody in science will work with you.

The materialist philosophy was created in direct opposition to Descartes work. It was primerely developed by Thomas Hobbes and Pierre Gassendi. In modern times this philosophy is considered largely outdated, with physicalism being the focus.

If we had any evidence for dualism ( there is none ) and no evidence or falsification for physicism ( never been falsified ) then it would be scientific to conclude that dualism was probably true. Scientists are largely materialists or physicalists as a result of following science, they don't start with those worldviews.

@Bigel I'll pass, thanks!

@brentan Au contraire, mon ami, Rene Descartes in his Discourse on the Method, lays out a framework for “rightly conducting one's reason and of seeking truth in the sciences.” It’s not a description of the scientific method of hypotheses and experimentation. Instead, it’s a practical philosophy about how to seek truth, there is only one truth, the one backed by facts, ergo, not the belief system you so baselessly espouse.

@brentan TED removed Rupert's videos from their website for this reason: IT IS SEUDOSCIENCE. That should have given you a hint.

@Mofo1953 And they put it back. I'm well aware of Sheldrake. He's a turning point in a science that has lost its way and thinks it knows everything. His book The Science Delusion is an eye-opener.

@Mofo1953 Is that the truth about facts that Einstein said changed with time?

@brentan for you maybe, for me it's crap

@brentan Einstein is one of the greatest scientific minds, to use his name to pretend to validate your baseless crap is to say the least a sacrilege

@brentan ,
particularly applies to the global warming scam.

@brentan, @Seeker3CO ,
your slur against brentan betrays a closed, feeble mind.

@Mofo1953 Your choice of word there is telling. Science is a religion and many are worshipped in this new religion. But Einstein expressed many views about the relative value of science and they are just a google away.

@brentan still with your nonsense? Do not put words in my mouth, the word I used has also a secular meaning. Only a google away, see definition number 2, now stop with your idiocy.

Sacrilege noun
sac·​ri·​lege | \ ˈsa-krə-lij \
Definition of sacrilege
1 : a technical and not necessarily intrinsically outrageous violation (such as improper reception of a sacrament) of what is sacred because consecrated to God
2 : gross irreverence toward a hallowed person, place, or thing

@Mofo1953 Thanks. I got it just right!

Hehehe! God bless you and your reply!