HOW NOT TO FIND A PARTNER -Lessons from an old man
I have a friend whose wife died a year ago. He asked me what I thought he should do to find a new mate in online dating....I read the posts on Agnostic.com as well. With great fear of being labeled a geek here goes...my thoughts
Today the online stuff allows everyone to create a checklist of their "have to have". I won't settle for less than I deserve , people say.
My wife and I have been married 35 years, we have our ups and down. When we met, I didn't know I was allergic to cats, one of her passions. We got married and she got us two cats. I became terribly allergic to them. ( I had never been exposed to them before). As my lung capacity and breathing became a struggle. The doctor told her it was dangerous for me.... Sure enough ( lol) three months later she gave them a new home. But she still missed those cats.
We went to build a home and I didn't want my partner in life to be without this joy. I had a special room built in the house , that wasn't attached to the central air. We built a covered porch. The cat was not in our routine living area, but they were part of our lives and they were safe inside at night. Later we moved, and bought a new house with a covered porch. As the cats became frail, i put a platform for them in the garage, with a space heater and personal Air conditioner for them.
They lived a very long life and both of my children now have multiple animals. But with todays technology, that may not have happened. I might write allergic to animals and she may have eliminated it.
We found a way. When you create these barriers, they eliminate people. You eliminate lots of people.
My friend had this profile -62 years old
He is a smoker
loves dogs
must be in shape
be still interested in passion
He didnt say this but he expects her to be take care of the house, cleaning and all cooking.
He has a bus RV and likes to take all his free time and go tailgating at college football
So who did he eliminate, I asked him to guess % eliminated in ( )
Smoker (80%)
Loves dogs (10%)
in shape athletic (40%)
Traditional Homemaker ( 80%)
RV Lifestyle (50%)
Still interested in sex (50%)
So here is the math ( for his age group )
0.2 0.9 0.6 0.2 0.5* 0.5
Thats is 1/2 of 1% of women that meet his self described target.
Look at your filters, make your best estimate. If you eliminate everyone, there isnt anyone left.
I am still allergic to cats, but I love them. We are not a perfect fit, and we both make comprimises.
But don't be surprised when no one fits all your filters.
No shit was looking for a delusion not a real person no one is perfect everyone has flaws you accept that and they accept yours it's life . Find someone who is compatible with your beliefs and lifestyle accepts your flaws and you accept theirs meet up see if you each have chemistry and then explore things together
@bobwjr you are right as always
@Bigwavedave thanks buddy
Everyone has dealbreakers. But it also depends on what those dealbreakers are, and how many. Likes, appearance, interests, personality quirks -- those make little difference to me. What matters is: is this a good person, does he take ownership of who he is and does he appreciate me for who I am? And beyond all the outside trappings, do we "get" each other and have each other's well-being at heart? It's actually hard to describe something like that because it's not talking about external stats, it's something internal that you either connect with or you don't. When it becomes more about the external traits, that's diverting attention from what's really important, probably because it's also extremely scary to be your real vulnerable self with someone else. But that's at the heart of any loving relationship.
That was sure sweet of you to do all that for the kitties and your wife but wouldn't it have been a lot easier to just take an allergy pill?
@readyforachange that is what many people suppose. Take a pill. My lung capacity was down 50%, the cat dander allergy caused the cornea of my eyes to separate several times . That is why cat fans eliminate people. It is definitely not that easy.
@Bigwavedave Oh gosh, that was not mentioned in your original post...sorry. I only asked because I take two pills nightly to be able to maintain my status as "crazy cat lady" lol.
Enjoy those grandpets!
I think people need to talk more and think less. There's a tendency to make online dating into something that resembles other things we do with computers, like spreadsheets and forms and folders. And email... I think, based on my experience (albeit limited and subjective) that the more time you spend in electronic world, the easier it is to lie by omission (E.g. send those nice personal get to know you emails, but only talk about the parts of yourself you like), and create huge pedestals where none need exist (The higher the pedestal the harder the fall... e.g. I'm talking to someone online, who pushes all the right buttons, but when we finally meet, he/she says one little thing i don't like, and they become a disaster in my eyes).
Very good post and analysis, BigWave...
I take it a little further...
The expectation going in, of marriage(or L-T).
There is no way we can determine "chemistry" online, even phone chats.And it's impossible
to list all characteristics and behaviors that will annoy, as well as unexpectedly delight.
What's the problem with identifying someone as safe and with some(not all)commonality
and just being friends, and seeing where it goes?...
Further, things often don't work out. If expectations going in are enormous, deciding to
not go ahead becomes trauma("broken heart" )...
Really, it doesn't have to be this way.
@seattlepanda. I was hoping to provoke some introspection for people. I see a lot of people struggling to find a partner. It's never perfect.
I don't know how many women I dated in my life ...but enough to know there is no such thing as the one. I believe more than a few would have been fine partners in life.
Great post, thanks for sharing your thoughts! I have a few parameters for the man I seek, and while most are "guidelines" in my mind, the one thing I'm not wanting to ignore is a religious attitude - that would be a deal-breaker. Another deal-breaker is a smoker; I simply cannot handle being around a smoker (not up-close, and who wants to be distant?!?). Life is a series of compromises, but some issues are more rigid than others.
@trustee good luck...
I struggle with this and have been thinking about it alot. At the same time, everything you say is true. For instance in the above, some people can not be with smokers for health reasons. They would just be in danger or physically ill like all the time. So you do have to have some criteria for your health and well being. I have three filters, but sadly, they are huge and probably knocks me down to almost 0% but I don't know the answer.
One is I'm polyamorous.. Asking me to change this is is like asking gay people to be straight. It's not changing, I've tried changing it, and it just leads to conflicts and trouble.
Two is what puts me on this site. I'm not just an anti-theist. Dating a theist would just be constant fights, as it is hard to be with someone that you think is doing something you consider evil on a constant basis. And Three is Lefist politics. Again, the right ring wants us all to die, and I can not get myself to be with people who work for or support what amounts to a nazi fascist ideology. (if you disagree with this that's fine..but we won't be dating.). So poly eliminates 95% of the population. Athiest eliminates about 92% of the population, (agnostics are still fine), and Leftist eliminates about 50%.. What am I do. IT's a wonder i've ever met anyone. But at the same time, we need standards. I think maybe it's harder as we are older and certain things are much harder to change. So now I look at this and i'm really depressed. Alone forevermore I guess.
@nezmaster I believe you will need to cast a very wide net.......good luck!
Funny how processes of elimination often whittle down choices to one.
Monogamy should really be more inclusive. Don't you think?
It may be well to tell your friend not to be so hasty anyway. I know that life is short and he is not young, but you are not yourself after loosing a partner for at least a year, ( The old idea of mourning for twelve months at least, had some wisdom. ) your judgment is very impaired by grief for a long time, and you can easily make silly mistakes.
@Ms_McSteven You are very wise. I have no real experience of divorse, my wife had been divorced for a while when we met, but any sort of trauma like that will spoil your judgement for a long time. When my wife died I had several quick and foolish relatoionships in the following couple of years, fortunately in all cases they came to nothing due to cirumstaces, or we could have made very silly mistakes that would have taken a lot of getting over.
@Ms_McSteven this is such a huge deal breaker for me too , and absolutely a must in my book . Anyone that can't be alone long enough to collect thoughts , pieces , find out what he did wrong at that marriage , but he is ready to jump back on to the next one , , well , that's a huge no for me .
The first two years after my divorce I did not even care to talk to people in general ! It has been 12 years now that I ve been divorced and living alone , and I got to tell u , I don't see how that will change Many offers from recently divorced / separated etc men . Is just not for me this type of men I guess .