Trump's "RACISTS" twit. . . . . Can you explain what is "racist" about his twit, without resorting to attacking me for asking the question?
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Feel free to reply to any comment by clicking the "Reply" button.I have one final thought on the matter. I see the OP stating that many of you "are not using your own words". That statement begs 3 questions. One, who's providing all these words, two, why would someone hack so many accounts just to comment on one comment, and three, why don't all these people realize that their accounts have been hacked? Seems rather ridiculous to me.
TKoBD
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July 19, 2019
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Well, since "racist" is the trendy shut-down insult that some liberals (?) sling at anything contradictory to their own agenda, however unclear and ever-changing that may be, I have to say that President Trump, again, was talking at least in part out of his anal cavity (?) . Rashida Tlaib is from my home town of Detroit. Which makes me sad, because she's unintelligent to the ways of justice and law (?) . Not because she's from immigrant parents, but because she is so eager and willing to discard our laws and especially our constitution in favor of pandering to the welfare seekers who would gladly trade freedom for security. She is an American. So POTUS telling her to go back is ridiculous (?) . As for the Somalia chick, who is also willing to discard our constitution in favor of her agenda, well, anyone like her who isn't an American can go back to where they came from. Sadly, she is also an American. So, like her or not, she gets to stay. But her kind (willing to discard our constitution) are not welcome. This is not new. This is how the country was framed. If you find me racist because of that opinion, I couldn't really care less about it. This is a free country. You are free to form (?) opinions of anyone you like.
We have laws. We have a constitution. None of it is perfect, which is why NONE of our founding documents make that claim. The closest you will find to the claim of perfection in context of our countries foundation is the goal and expectation that at every step we make, we do so to "form a more perfect union". Since "perfection" is a pretty definitive statement, when one says "more perfect", they can't possibly mean that the union we have is already perfect, but that it is pretty (?) good. And that we can do better. And that we should strive to do so. Discarding our laws, making things (?) up, pushing false narratives, and slinging baseless accusations is NOT how we move towards that "more perfect union". Both political parties in power today are equal. Equally corrupt. Equally useless. Equally traitorous. They are both just different sides of the same polished turd, and until people realize (?) that fact, instead of that "more perfect union" that our Founding Father's encouraged and expected us to pursue, we will only have dysfunction, corruption and moral poverty. From both sides of the turd. So, is Trump racist? I'm not sure. He's definitely a lose cannon, a blow hard, and of questionable intelligence (?). Which means he's pretty well suited to be POTUS. Same as OhBummer, the Bush Cartel, the Clinton's, and more. Stop looking for support for your agenda and see.
*** Edit: I received a message that this comment was somehow inappropriate and thus hidden from view. I can not fathom what in the original post was so awful, so I imagined myself having the thinnest skin possible by my estimation, and the most hypersensitive and fragile emotional state I could imagine, then proceeded to alter everything I found questionable in that state of mind. These edits are followed by the various (?) that you see, because I really have no idea what was so wrong in the first place. Unless it was that I am not gung-ho Democrat and extreme liberal. I certainly hope that isn't the case.
TKoBD
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July 18, 2019
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@altschmerz I don't think that is the reason. The email I got said :
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@altschmerz lol and I've written worse! In fact, the reason I found this app is because I'm on my 3rd bit of 30 days in Facebook jail now so I had a bit of time to kill! Lol
Funny you start by claiming yourself a victim because by asserting that everyone is going to “attack” you and then go through responding to all the comments with hostility and attacks.
When people complain about racism in this country, they are told to “go back where they came from.” In other words, “if you have a problem with being treated like a second class citizen in this white country, then you can leave it.”
People don’t have to throw actual racist slurs to be demonstrably racist. Literally everyone over the age of 10 knows exactly what is meant by that phrase. Yelling “NO IT ISN’T!!!” And expecting people to provide proof that blue is blue doesn’t change that.
A2Jennifer
Level 8
July 17, 2019
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Looking over your responses, I see that you're very quick to accuse almost everyone of not answering in their own words. I wonder what makes you imagine that anyone who disagrees with you is simply regurgitating someone else's opinion?
Is it possible that many people share a similar opinion, rather than just repeating one another?
What is it that's made you so quick to attack those who disagree with you, and claim they're not using their own words, as you put it? Whose words do you think they are? In fact, I take quite a long time explaining myself so you will understand the full meaning of my replies, and I'm insulted that you think I'm not giving my own answers.
Whose words are YOU using?
Paul4747
Level 8
July 17, 2019
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Simple. How many white women did he tell to go home ?
Fernapple
Level 9
July 16, 2019
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For several months, I lived in USA semi-legally. No one...not one single person questioned my right to be there. I was a terrible immigrant, my daughter got tons of free stuff and I went and had an anchor baby (accidentally btw).
I was welcomed with open arms and when I married my US hubby and had yet another American anchor baby, I was praised.
You see, I am ENGLISH. I am as WASPie as it is possible to be!
I did everything brown immigrants are accused of. Oh n when I got sick of it, I ripped up my greencard and came home!
Donald Trump wouldn't tell me to go home because I am whiter than he is (Not hard he is dreadfully jaundiced orange!). His tweet is racist because he told brown people to go home when they are home, just because they are brown!
Amisja
Level 8
July 16, 2019
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In fact I lived in USA for 8 years.
Well, look... I may not be able to add much to the discussion, but I will try to clarify.
If a person (let's leave the Current Resident's name out of it, since he stirs up so much emotion) makes a default assumption that someone of a different color comes from a different country- well, that's racial discrimination, pure and simple. Like referring to all Hispanics as "Mexicans" or anyone who looks vaguely Semitic as "Arab".
It's almost certainly true that, like the 98.4% of us who are not Native Americans (and like the Current Resident), their parents or grandparents or great-great- etc. came from somewhere else, one way or another (voluntarily or involuntarily). But there's no way to tell- absolutely zero way to tell- by looking at someone, whether they are a tenth-generation American citizen or someone who just walked out of the airport. And assuming that skin color is some determinant of nationality- furthermore, assuming that people of a different color should "go back where they came from", as if this country is for the white people- that's not only racism, that's white supremacy and white nationalism. That's the stuff the racist right (the KKK and neo-Nazis) has been spewing for decades, and it's deeply disturbing when a president unapologetically holds that view.
Not only did he say it, he doubled down and said that the women should apologize for their supposedly "un-American" views. That's almost more troubling than the original comment.
Paul4747
Level 8
July 16, 2019
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Good attempt. But you are not using your words to describe how you think. Those women have repeatedly attacked the USA. Trump is all about patriotism. His comments were about how these people are demanding the USA become NOT the USA.
Nothing racist.
@Jacar "How I think" has nothing to do with the issue, and it wasn't your question. You wanted to know how Trump's words were considered racist, and I explained it, without attacking you or anyone else. I gave the context and gave the explanation. You then moved the goalposts. So, now here's explanation part 2.
I did editorialize very clearly that it's disturbing (personally) to have a sitting president in the 21st Century spouting white supremacist rhetoric.
Now why you're claiming these Congresswomen have been attacking the US, and/or "demanding it become not the USA", is inexplicable, since you don't explain it. They have certainly attacked this administration's policies; but those are in no way synonymous with the USA. If attacking the party in power is the same as attacking the USA, then Trump was guilty of it long ago, considering his years of attacking the Obama administration. And yet Republicans were nowhere in defending the dignity of a sitting president then; in fact, they piled on. It's only their own presidents that deserve to be shielded from criticism, evidently.
I hesitate to guess what you mean by "demanding the USA become not the USA", since the only explanations I can guess with have to do with either our economic system (and that argument goes back to the introduction of the income tax in the 1860s, at least; and certainly to the 1930s when Social Security was a plan to make us all communists); or else it's a reference to something much uglier, and I do not wish to go there.
@Jacar
Okay, here's something that is definitely NOT my own words (all of the above was my own words, despite your implication), and I will credit it. This is Representative Ted Lieu, writing in the Washington Post, and here's how Trump's words are racist. (I have taken the liberty of adding emphasis in a few key lines.)
Rep. Lieu, take it away:
Ted Lieu, a Democrat, is a U.S. representative from California.
'I served on active duty in the U.S. Air Force and currently serve in the U.S. House of Representatives. Yet I still experience people telling me to “go back” to China or North Korea or Japan. Like many immigrants, I have learned to brush off this racist insult. I never thought the president of the United States would tell members of Congress to “go back” to another country.
President Trump has often crossed the line of what constitutes decent behavior. But this time feels different, because he is now attacking legal immigration and U.S. citizenship. His statements on Sunday and since then imply that immigrants are somehow less loyal to our country, less American, and that we should “go back” or “leave” if we disagree with him.
Twenty years ago, I wrote an op-ed in The Post about what it was like to wear my Air Force uniform while people questioned my loyalty to the United States, all because of the color of my skin. I was in my Air Force blues when a woman asked if I was in the Chinese air force.
The suspicion that immigrants are not to be trusted or are unpatriotic is not just wrong; it is un-American. And dangerous. Yet it has marred America’s past, including with the 19th-century “Yellow Peril” hysteria, the internment during World War II of more than 110,000 people who happened to be of Japanese descent and accusations against Jewish Americans of harboring dual loyalties.
That brand of bigotry was at the core of Trump’s online comments attacking the patriotism of Democratic Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.), Ilhan Omar (Minn.), Ayanna Pressley (Mass.) and Rashida Tlaib (Mich.) — insults he continued to defend on Tuesday.
To say I was furious when I read Trump’s tweets would be an understatement. It brought me back to the feelings I had when writing in 1999: about belonging, sacrifice and what it means to be an American. Just as my Air Force uniform didn’t protect me from racism then, the lapel pins worn by members of Congress didn’t shield those four representatives from Trump’s hateful venom. It didn’t matter that three of the women were actually born in the United States or that Omar immigrated from Somalia as a child.
The problem for the president is that many Americans are immigrants or have friends or family members who are immigrants. The American people continue to support newcomers. A Gallup poll last year found that 75 percent of Americans believe immigration is good for the country. The American people understand that what makes the nation great is not people’s bloodlines or how long ago their ancestors arrived here, but their character and belief in the Constitution.
A lot has changed in 20 years since I wrote that Post op-ed. Americans elected the nation’s first black president; there is a Hispanic American on the Supreme Court; a woman is House speaker; a record number of Asian Americans are in Congress; and for the first time, Native American women and Muslim American women are serving in Congress.
“The United States has more immigrants than any other country in the world,” according to the Pew Research Center, and “the U.S. foreign-born population reached a record 44.4 million in 2017.” The same report found that immigrants and their descendants will drive 88 percent of the United States’ population growth through 2065. The president cannot stop most of this demographic change, especially without the consent of Congress.
The United States represents hope, freedom and opportunities to those who are born here and to those who are not. Those values are part of the United States’ fabric. Diversity — both in ideas and people — has always been one of the country’s greatest assets.
Americans — white, black, Hispanic, Asian and Native American — understand that we are better than the president’s xenophobic message. Americans understand that rising drug prices, wage stagnation and inadequate infrastructure affect everyone, regardless of race. It is heartening to see the reaction to Trump’s remarks from countless Americans who recognized that his words were repulsive. Notwithstanding the current occupant of the Oval Office, the United States is, and will remain, an exceptional nation.'
I fear, in light of the above, that what you mean by these four women "demanding the USA become not the USA" has something to do with their defense of social justice, of the rights of immigrants, and the rights of people who- not to put too fine a point on it- don't look like Donald Trump (or like me, for that matter). But since you don't come right out and say what you mean, instead using euphemisms like the above, well, I just have to guess at your meaning. And since you question "How is Trump's tweet racist?" when it's fairly obvious except to those who don't want to see; I conclude that you don't want to see.
What is racist is telling these non-white women to go back to their own country. To ask what is racist, one would have to interpret the tweet in isolation from the very long history of racist actions taken by Trump, such as excluding non-whites from renting his properties, condemning the Central Park 5 after they were cleared; being the chief denier of Obama's birth certificate; the statement that immigrants are rapists and thieves; pulling foreign aid from non-white countries; calling non-white countries shit-holes; saying non-white representatives have a low IQ; saying good people on both sides; and so on.
After Trump's long history of racist behavior, why would you suppose that this was not more of the same? Are you trying to be semantically pedantic in pointing out that the tweets are not explicitly racist? Or, some other reason?
If you don't want to be attacked, you need to be much clearer in formulating your question. As always, if you are going to ask a hazardous question, make sure you have explained your motive insofar as motive classifies the context of the question and is thus often more important than the actual content.
racocn8
Level 9
July 16, 2019
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You did not answer the question in your own words. You declared a presumption, that should be known by all. And then spewed the same ideological "explanations" you have been told are reasonable.
And, you end with an attack. Typical leftist response.
So, we are suppose to treat non-whities differently? As not equal? As special?
If trump would have said the same to whities, as he has, the lefties would have mostly ignored it.
Those people do not care about the constitution. And now pelosi is involved with the call the abolish our boarders and give those who come here MY TAX DOLLARS.
Who should be here? Why should they be here? How much are you willing to pay for them being here?
And when are you moving to the border to help with the 3000 people attempting to get in, everyday?
I answered your question in my own words. Where did I attack you? I didn't. I asked for clarification and suggested improving your posting. Elsewhere you claim Trump's remarks were not racist, but you have never explained your (GOP) interpretation of these remarks (as I invited you to do). Apparently you don't believe that Trump's many racist behaviors are racist, and that helps explain your original question. And you wrote "whities" twice!! I've never seen that term in print.
You are fond of saying: "Typical leftist response" as an epithet.
You say Trump has said the same thing to Whites. You can provide a reference for that?
You don't like that your tax dollars being used to help these people. Your motives are indeed clearer.
Constant rants brown people detention camps saying white supremacist and Nazi are not bad people many charges of discrimination by new York housing authority against him and father going back many decades racist rants in public
bobwjr
Level 10
July 16, 2019
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Not good thinking.
I should point out too that unlike the idiot bashing them, these women were elected to their positions by a major of the voters in the districts they represent without foreign interference. So calling them anti-American is hypocritical on his part as well.
JimG
Level 8
July 15, 2019
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If you can't see why it's obviously racist, I seriously doubt that anybody could explain it so you could. And I probably couldn't maintain a civil tone throughout the attempt.
Deb57
Level 8
July 15, 2019
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Nobody expects civil tone from liberals!
Typical leftist response. Attack the messenger/questioner. "That you are ignorant and therefore are not worthy of a reasoned response. How about you use YOUR own words to explain YOUR actual thinking, and not just salivate to the bell of racism wrung by those who are only interested in power.
@Jacar These are my words. Overcoming systemic and inherent racism takes empathy, compassion, and a certain level of awareness prompted by the capacity to feel both. The opposite of that is often referred to as, for lack of a more accurate term, "tone-deafness." Your question,"Can you explain what is "racist" about his twit, without resorting to attacking me for asking the question?" is an excellent example of tone-deafness. You demonstrate your lack of empathy and compassion in your refusal to understand why Trump's statements are racist and hurtful, and at the same time you add your wish that people will not respond to your lack of sensitivity in what you might consider an insensitive way, so that you don't get your wittle feelies all hurt. How ironic! Those of us who have been actively standing against racism for decades are horrified by the kraken of racism which Trump has unleashed. It is evident that he and his followers openly wish a return of Jim Crow and all the evil it represents. This is not about power. This is about humanity and decency. If the messenger/questioner doesn't wish to be attacked, he should probably learn a little about humanity and decency, rather than expose his own racism.
Telling brown people to “go back where they came from” is the traditional way of white people indicating that they do not believe non-white people belong in “their” country.
A2Jennifer
Level 8
July 15, 2019
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Horseshit. This had nothing to do with race. It had/has to do with people who show NO respect for the place and people on the planet that rescued them from the SHIT HOLES they fled.
@Jacar the women who are the target of these racist remarks are AMERICAN CITIZENS. They didn’t “flee” anything and they certainly weren’t “rescued.” The “shit holes” they came from are Michigan, New York, and Minnesota and they have EXACTLY as much right to work for change in this country as everyone else does.
There is no way to be kind about this. Yes. For you to ask the question is a blatant indication of your own racism and lack of understanding. Have you put on your black armband yet??
Healthydoc70
Level 7
July 15, 2019
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Exactly the response expected from a left-poler. Attack the asker, but provide NO substantive explanation of one's "thinking" about the topic.
You have assumptions you CANNOT defend. So you just attack any who challenge your lack of thinking.
How about you STOP attacking those who are interested in conversation, and respond with some reflection of YOUR reasoning, and not salivate so quickly to what is clearly wrong-think?
Trump is the "twit" what he put out was a "tweet". Lol
t1nick
Level 8
July 15, 2019
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Typically those who have white skin are not told "to go back to their countries" when an individual does not like what they say or stand for or just existing. It is common for those with Brown or black skin to be told that simply because of their skin tone. It's a dog whistle. Therefore when it is directed at 4 women who would not be considered white it is intended as a racial slur and to denote that they are not real Americans. They are all Americans with only one not being born in this country.
Pamscwf1
Level 7
July 15, 2019
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THHA:
That perfectly explains it. What I find most surprising is how many people are defending this low-life racist turd.
many bad assumptions. These people are spewing anti-american shit: open borders, any one should be able to come here and get tax-payer supported FREE healthcare, education, food support, congress representation,... That is bullshit.
Why are you supporting such fascist invader crap?
If you mean, can you play dumb without anyone calling you on it...then no
Buttercup
Level 8
July 15, 2019
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Thanks...... Ahh the default behavior of the left-polers. No clear ability to defend their thinking, only responding by attacking those who question their understanding of the words-comin-outta-their-mouths.
@Jacar If you were serious you wouldn't even have to read Pam's post above to know the answer. If I can give a word of advice without being attacked. If you constantly have to remind people how brilliant you are, best not to bother.
@Jacar, you're being attacked because you're being an asshole. The fact that you are apparently unable to see how you're being an asshole and are deflecting the blame for your own assholery onto others makes you a cowardly asshole.
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