"Who knew healthcare was so complicated?" our moron president once said. We know it's complicated. I would liken it to an octooid with a thousand arms radiating out from a central mass. Any significant change to the central mass will affect everything attached to it.

But, in this case, the central mass is cancerous and that has to be addressed. The facr that these changes will impact not only the industry at its core but many of the businesses that have attached themselves to it is to be expected. When electricity became the new power standard throughout the land, it decimated the kerosene industry that had been the prior standard, when automobiles became the new standard for transportation, it decimated the horse drawn transportation industry. We're trying to replace the fossil fuel industry with renewable energy and eliminate fossil fuels. Should we not pursue this despite the damage it does because the fossil fuel industry is so entrenched in our economy?

There will always be people and industries impacted by comprehensive change. It's just how change works but when we've identified a serious problem and there are solutions to address it, should those solutions and their benefits be ignored because of the upheaval that might be involved?

I'm glad that you're happy with your healtchcare but there are so many more people who are not and so many that don't have healthcare at all. This system is broken and comprehensive change is needed and that's the bottom line.

@Sgt_Spanky I agree...but I doubt that change that drastic will happen this round...our government is slow and there is still a large population that is adverse to sudden change...your analogy of cutting out the cancer is so spot on, but, even your examples were not sudden changes...cars were not widely used the minute they showed up...they were costly, unreliable, noisy, etc....the modern car came out in 1886 and was not widely used until 1908 or so...it took nearly 50 years for electricity to be common from the time it was "discovered"...

Of course, health care is more critical because people die of lack of care...the system is broken...Obama care started the comprehensive change but was not allowed to evolve...so much was in the works to fix it each year...it never got that chance, although, it is still around and some changes were made...I think eventually, it would have evolved to M4A...it was working....

I don't know what the solution is...scrapping it all won't happen...

@thinktwice No, change won't come quickly but it has to be started for it to come at all and the sooner, the better. Expanding Obamacare will come faster than M4A but is less appealing -- at least to me -- than M4A. Still, if thats what we can get I'd take it and call it a win or at least a solid move in the right direction on several levels.It was conceived to be a more comrehensive solution than what we got but the effing Rs kept hobbling it with changes and Obama was far too conciliatory with them.

Regardless, it was a welcome and needed first step. Now we need to take more and bigger steps.

@Sgt_Spanky I think enough people of all parties know this is a crisis...the party that can deliver healthcare to the most people will be the champion...it is a national crisis, not a party one...so far, trump has deflected away from his promise to get everyone a good plan with all of his other shit...people need to remember this more than they need to remember that he also did not deliver a wall or tax relief for regular people...this is one broken promise that needs to stay in the forefront...

@thinktwice From your lips to God's ears.

@Sgt_Spanky uh oh...I am an atheist...

people react to the thought of someone taking something from them, its all lizard brain stuff. even if that thing is a bad thing.

When it is part of your overall compensation package...that is one reason for wanting to keep private insurance.