Do you think that some things are unforgivable or do you think that some people should be given a second chance at forgiveness if they're genuinely sorry for the wrong doings that they did?
You meam axe-murdering, say, an entire family, for instance? Or wiping out entire civilizations in genocidal insanity?
I can think of many, MANY unforgivable things!
If they are SORRY? I think it's possible to show mercy without forgiveness. The judgement might then be atonement combined with severe punishment.
Guess it all depends.
Forgiveness is for the benefit of the forgiver and not for the one being forgiven.
Forgiveness is not about saying the offense was okay but about letting go of the offense, not carrying the burden of having to get even or keep score. Forgiveness is about healing the victim.
Forgive but remember to not put yourself in that position again.
I don't believe in forgiveness, and I rarely give out second chances.
Being sorry requires action to prove remorse, not words.
People lie to get what they want. That includes "forgiveness".
Actions speak louder and more truthfully.
Do they change their behavior? Do they maintain the change(s) for an extended
period of time?
In my experience, saying someone is "forgiven" for whatever wrong they committed, is usually seen as a free-pass by them, and they'll do whatever it was again.
Many things are unforgivable... Rape, murder, child abuse, Trump...
My family thinks I have ice in my veins for my take on forgiveness. My forgiveness bucket isn't bottomless and some have just kicked it over.
I have found that the people who have messed with my life can't even bother to ask for forgiveness...so no.
You can forgive but never forget
I have often been asked if I'd 'forgive' my daughters 'mother' for her treatment of my daughter both before Lorrae's battle with Cancer, and her death from it, and her blatant and obvious lacking of support, etc, DURING her 9 months of Chemotherapy, except for the 3 days when her mother had an URGENT appointment for HERSELF and she decided to aCTUALLY to visit us in the Hospital and the place where we were staying 24/7.
It IS still burned into my memory the day I collected Lorrae from a Court Scheduled Access visit to her 'mother's home, some 50 kms away, BEFORE the diagnosis of Lymphoma was made, acting on a very URGENT phone call from Lorrae and being summarily told by her 'mother' " Don't bother taking the bitch to a Doctor, take her to a Psychiatrist, the bitch is just attention seeking as usual."
Less than 2 weeks later, Lorrae and I were flown to Adelaide, South Australia by Flying Doctors Aircraft and Lorrae was undergoing test after test.
NO, neither can I forgive NOR can I forget such a thing.
Condolences! Sorry for your loss and the aftermath of emotions associated with it. I've experienced loss, and yours is way up there with hard to deal with stories. I feel for you and agree, willful actions can't always be forgiven.
This reply is going to get lost in this post. As I start typing it already has 25 comments. But...
There is an old saying that people often go through three levels of realization about others when they see the others behaving badly.
More succinctly, the three levels are: 1. Ignorance, 2. Stupidity and 3. Evilness.
For me, I think Ignorance and, to a degree, Stupidity can be helped. But Evilness can only be warred against, defeated and destroyed.
BTW... Don't forget I'm the one who gets to judge what is and isn't bad behavior. So there.
You all can try to match my standards. But we all know what that is worth.
I figure you know I wasn't trying to be snarky. Lol. And I guess I shouldn't be surprised you read all your replies (I do too. Ha, Ha). It was just that I saw so much quick interest in the post that I expected my reply to get buried in the noise.
But being a self-centered fool, I decided to speak up anyway. As if my part of the noise would be worth anyone's time (even yours). Interesting question, though. Now I see it's up to at least 87 replies not counting subconverations. Lol again.
For me it's situational. If it was intentional, and you are not sorry, and you would do it again, then Fuck You.
This is such a hot button topic for me because of the screwed up things I was taught about forgiveness growing up. It didn't matter what someone had done, I was supposed to forgive everyone for everything and if I didn't, then I was even worse than they were. So if I'm struggling to forgive someone who raped me as a child, I'm worse than they are . . . As you might guess, the most prominent consequence of that kind of thinking is becoming a doormat and allowing people to walk all over you, which I did for so many years.
I've only just begun really trying to understand forgiveness after giving up the fear that an invisible being was going to punish me after I die for not being able to forgive others, so I'm no expert by any means. At the moment, I'm inclined to believe that forgiveness is more of a consequence than something you accomplish. I believe forgiveness just happens when someone makes the effort to make up for what they did and makes changes so that they can earn back your trust by convincing you that they won't do what they did again. I believe you can block forgiveness and choose to hold a grudge if you want, but you can't just spontaneously forgive someone when they haven't done anything to change what they did. I think the best you can do is open your heart for forgiveness and allow it in, if the other person does their part.
I also think it's okay if you choose not to forgive or give the other person the chance to prove they've changed. If it's so painful to be around the other person that you aren't willing to give them another chance, I think it's best for you to do what's right for you. It's a case by case thing and it doesn't have to look the same as someone else in a similar situation.
their sorrow is irrelevant. you forgive someone because you show compassion.
This!
Forgivability may have more to do with the forgiver than the forgiven.
Yes i agree
Both. Some things are certainly unforgivable, and some are forgivable for your own sanity’s sake but still shouldn’t be given another chance to make the same mistakes, (forgive but don’t forget). Only very mild mistakes should be both forgiven and forgotten. To safely welcome the person back in your inner circle, you’ve got to be sure that they seriously understand where, when, and how they went wrong, and have made a visible determination to change themselves.
the problem is that sociopaths, many of whom are quite intelligent, if caught in a serious crime, know what the judge/jury/parole board wants to hear. they can appear to be genuinely sorry but it's all an act.
I'm all for forgiveness and second chances.
Deliberate , intentional hurt to me , isnt forgiven . Some people are just bad. I sort them out and banish them form my life.
Some things are unforgivable. Deliberate behavior to hurt me or my family are examples of unforgivable action that I won’t forgive.
I will forgive just about anything else.