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I bought my boys bulletproof backpacks...they are nervous about school shootings, and school starts the 15th. The packs were over $100 each--I'm hoping they won't fall apart as quickly as the non-bulletproof kind do.

How do other parents cope with fear of school massacres?

Carin 8 Aug 11
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I came back to UK. My daughter got picked on for her US accent, the other two grew up here. Now she sounds as Northern as everyone else and they never feared going to school.

I’m sorry your children didn’t feel welcome here but I’m glad they’re happier now.

Do you have any insight as to the difference? Why kids get bullied in the US but not the UK? (Or is there bullying in the UK?)

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It’s very sad that such a thing is considered to be necessary....and let’s hope their efficacy is never put to the test. I’m just thinking of my two grandsons, in England, going back to school, and thankfully not having to worry about such things. My heart goes out to you and your boys.

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The best way to get them over their fear of school shootings is to teach them a little about statistics. It is good for them to know how very safe they are from shootings. Only 1kid out of every 10,000 kids will die from a gun related injury. So take three boxes of cheereos and color one single cheerio blue. Promise them a prize if they are lucky and pick the blue one. Then mix all the cheerios up in a giant bowl have them close their eyes and pick a cheerio from the 10,000 at random. Have them redo it over and over and they will quickly realize it isnt going to ever happen and they will be mad at you for making it seem impossible. Thats how safe your kids are from gun violence on average across the usa.

But what happens, on the off chance, they pick the blue one in their first 10 picks?

Not everyone can compartmentalize things and still not be fearful. Perhaps she’s already spoken to them about statistics and whatnot. Some people are just more sensitive.

9-11 was 18 years ago....but if I hear a large plane flying low, it still gets my heart racing. And I live in Nowhere, MN so not likely high on a terrorist list to crash a plane. But the fear is still there.

Schools have active shooter drills, I’m sure those alone are enough to make some children very fearful

@Marcie1974 They won’t pick it. 1 in 10,000 is enormous. Besides this is only a suggestion on how to help kids understand their saftey while teaching them how to better understand things. It is not in anyway fool proof. I just wanted to think of something that might teach and reduce fear.

@Marcie1974 Don’t confuse your fear with awareness.

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Make sure you write it off your taxes even if you have to write it in. If you get audited make the IRS explain why and then as the person how they protected their children.

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Bulletproof backpacks. WTF is going on?

I want to see proof they work.

I wish I could yell you;it seems as if we will not be happy until we destroy ourselves as a species 😮

The US is a war zone. There are now travel advisories against traveling here and I don't blame them.

That will protect about 5% of their only if they are running away. And if they are full of books a backpack is probably bulletproof anyway.
Not sure how a quarter inch of Kevlar is worth $100.

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I belong to a group called Mom's Demand Action. We are affiliated with Everytown for Gun Safety. You may have a chapter of one near you.

We advocate for sensible gun laws. We provide statistics to underpin our cause and the need for universal background checks at all places that sell guns. We also oppose the sale of military style weapons and accessories like bump stocks that convert a regular gun into a rapid of fire weapon.
Before letting your children play at a friend's house, have a conversation with the parent(s) that includes asking if there are any guns in the home. If so, are they accessible? Recognize that teens can be very emotional and self-harm when teased or over a relationship.

We are awash in guns in the US. Per capita we have more guns in circulation than any other country. No more 'thoughts and prayers - we need action and legislation.

We wan't to make sure that legal guns are stored safely so that children

Starr Level 3 Aug 12, 2019
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My children have no problem with going to school. They are excited.

I have issues with this. #1 it's our job as parents to shield and protect our children. They have no business being subject to adult things. #2 Since there are some people that like fearmongering and including their children in on adult matters, have you explained to them that they have more of a chance being killed by a drunk driver? Did you also explain to your children how all the mass shootings happen in gun free zones? Because those are facts.

Yes, my job to protect and shield my kids.

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As Shadow said if it makes your kids feel safer it's well worth the cost.
But, as dahermit points out the likely hood of being in a mass shooting is minuscule. There's a graph that shows it ranking at the bottom of causes of deaths.
IMO the 24 hour news/political cycle is the cause of all this needless fear. News shows are repetitive horror shows. The over exhaggerate the things that happen just to make a buck.

the odds of flying through the windshield are pretty damn low too, but we wear seatbelts.

Well we got them swim lessons to prevent drowning, always wear seatbelts and try to be safe in general as well as teach good health habits. You do what you can to try and control risks. Buying the packs was something I could do.

GUNS are the cause of this fear. Conservatives hate the media because conservatism thrives on ignorance and lies.

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If the kids feel safer, well worth $100
best defence is that there are tens of thousands of kids in school and only a handful get shot - not much consolation if you are one of the few

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I'm not to that point but I have experience that tells me you can do everything and still end up in a really crappy situation. I was a witness to a shooting in my own apartment. The person died, the shooter is in prison for life. That's all I'll share on that for the moment but the horror of that moment lives with me forever. I HATE how easy it is to get guns and that these shootings are happening and that our children have to be aware of them and have lockdown drills. My oldest told me of a discussion her class had on what they would do if a shooter came in, how they would try to go out the back because they're in a weird section kind of off the main part of the school. I HATE HATE HATE that they even have to discuss this. My work has training we go through in the event of a workplace shooting. That triggered my PTSD massively. I don't even want to think about what I would do if we have a lockdown drill at work. I found out ahead of time when my college had one and made sure not to be there that day. Nope nope nope. My oldest daughter is the same age as the Sandy Hook children. I was homeschooling her at the time it happened but it shook me to my core. What will this do to the psyche of our children? And seriously, it would not surprise me if at some point, when these kids come of age to vote and be in office, there will be a reckoning. They'll remember this and remember that we did nothing about it.

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A way to physically block a door from being opened may be a better solution. These devices are not very expensive and would likely give your son and friends more of a sense of empowerment if they had a fund raiser to buy them for all classes, or went before the school board to ask for funds than being bought a device even they know is useless.

And if the windows in the doors are not bullet proof be sure to insist that some sort of bullet proof material is installed.

Bulletproof materials? Teachers are having to purchase school supplies from their own pockets because district budgets are so tight. Who’s going to pay for bulletproof doors?

@Marcie1974 A doorstop is maybe $12.

A bulletproof backpack is a worthless overpriced gimmick.

I would love to say this is all a good idea, however you are going to need more than that for actual safety. For a little context, I was in the military after the Washington Navy Yard shooting, and participated in a simulated shooting drill. During this drill, the locks on the building were used to prevent secure access by police, greatly inhibiting their efforts, and in one instance inhibiting hostage rescue and negotiation.

Here are some of the takeaways and lessons learned from this drill.

  • all rooms were required to have two means of independent secure communication
  • any locks or barring devices required storage within 2 feet of all doors.
  • rooms must have multiple entrances cleared and accessible and clearly marked (navy building regs require this anyways )
  • any windows and doors that can be used as an escape route should not be blocked, unless accessible from the outside.

@BufftonBeotch yes, doorstops are inexpensive and a good idea.

You suggested bulletproof doors and windows. I don’t have an estimate on the cost of that but it’s going to be WAY more than any district can afford

@Marcie1974 [amazon.com]😛la-310380604039&psc=1

@BufftonBeotch how many doors and windows are in an average school? How many buildings in the district? That’ going to add up quick. Plus installation. Even if currently employed custodians install them, it’s taking them away from their regular duties.

I’m not trying to be an ass, but go ask any teacher how much they spend out of pocket on their classroom each year because the district doesn’t have money.

@Marcie1974 Those door blocks are about $10.

You want to give all teachers a gun though?

How long after that before black kids start getting shot for back talk or being scary.

@BufftonBeotch I absolutely do NOT want any teachers to have a gun. Not sure where you got that idea.

@BufftonBeotch a friend posted this on Facebook. I think it’s by far the best answer I’ve seen so far. Having people trained to help students who may have mental health issues. Regardless of whether they plan on harming anyone or themselves. Even if someone doesn’t have mental health issues normally, midterms and finals can be stressful. Some students may be dealing with the death of a loved one, dealing with a parent who lost a job, any number of things. I don’t see this doing anything but good. Plus helping de stigmatized mental health issues

It's a new school for us, I don't know what their classroom doors and windows are like, and That's something I can' control. But I can buy these packs and hopefully get involved at school as the year goes by.

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That is ever so sad. Only in war zones do kids need bulletproof stuff.

Schools have become war zones

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They would have to wear them full time. Don't they put them in their lockers when they get to school? Kids usually don't get shot on their way to and from school.

There is still time to return them and get your money back.

I have no plans to return them. I hope they will have them if the need arises.

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I wouldn't think too much about it, the odds are incredibly small, and you can never make anyone "Safe" in America.

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I don't want you having false hope but those hundred dollar bullet proof vest are not Bulletproof... You can purchase a bulletproof vest at pawn shop take the shield out of it and feed it to your child's backpack...

Yeah I heard thy don't stop assault rifle bullets...hopefully being full of books will help. I did what I could.

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but "bullet proof" is sort of a relative term. It depends on how the backpack is actually constructed, carried, and what caliber of bullet it is designed to stop. There are many different types of body armor, ranging from simple Kevlar to reinforced ceramic plates. The more protection you have, the more it will weigh and for a child this is a limiting factor.

A quick google search reveals that there are a lot of products on the market that makes claims like "designed to stop bullets from 95% of gun related homicides". Although I am not sure where they get their statistics, I do know that handguns are the cause of the overwhelming majority of homicides and most commonly used in school shootings.

Level IIIA is rated to stop 357 Magnum rounds, however there are some modified rounds that can puncture it. It will stop 9mm, 40cal, and 45 cal. ( basically all handguns )

Level III is designed to stop rifle rounds, but not all types will stop all rifle rounds. You will have to do your research.

Level IV is the military grade body armor and will stop direct hits from a 30 caliber AP bullet fired at close range. It's also heavy, consisting of many composite layers of protection.

The bottom line is this: In theory, a backpack could be designed to stop any conventional bullet. However, cost and weight are limiting because more protection = more weight. All this being said, kevlar does tend to be a strong and hardy material, so if you are used to spending $20 - 30 every other year, it may be worth it in the long run regardless of bulletproof properties, if you can get a 3-5 year life out of it.

@Larry-new How so? With the exception of the last paragraph, everything posted here is true. The last paragraph is an exception because it is my personal opinion based on analysis of the facts.

@Happy_Killbot I believe having this discussion. Your points are completely valid and reasonable.

I think they ae just Kevlar. No plates. The weight feels about the same as a regular backpack. The kids were worried the packs would look different and be embarrassing, but they appear normal. I got them at Office Max. They had big displays of them at the front of the store.

@Carin If it's just kevlar layers with not polymer or ceramic plate then it is most likely level IIIA. They should still be reasonably durable and last a few years regardless.

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A bulletproof backpack? Frankly speaking, this is the first time I've heard about it. I bought my daughter a backpack from [ariana-grande-merch.com] . And as for the fact that it is necessary to increase security in schools - it is impossible not to agree with this. There must be security at the school. The main duty of security in educational institutions in a situation of shooting, explosions, smoke or earthquake is to organize the exit of all people from the building. Evacuation is the first stage of the work. This will definitely help save a large number of lives.

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Why didn't you buy them bulletproof vest instead.

I don't think they would wear it.

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Pretty useless. Most people are shot in the chest.

And your back is one side of your chest....plus, they can take off the backpack and hold it in front of them, or protect their head, or someone else.

@Carin you've never been in a matter of life and death situation. If this makes your kids feel better fine, but it is a false sense of security. Ar500 has 2 plates for the price of one. If you have sewing abilities make a vest that goes under a shirt and you can cover front and back. I think swat only uses fronts.

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Out of curiosity, how much do they weight??

that what I was thinking. books are already heavy.

They seem the same as other backpacks.

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