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State Sen. Regina Ashford Barrow 🍸, the lawmaker behind the bill to have the national motto displayed in Louisiana schools, called the measure "important" in helping students understand the country's "patriotic history" in remarks discussing the law last year. Someone tell me how this promotes patriotism? One good thing is that children still have a choice. [msn.com]

IAJO163 8 Aug 14
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So I should go out chacing people off their land? Isn't that this nation's legacy? To burn, rape, murder, steal, cheat, lie... These are the traditions I am supposed to be proud of? Wouldn't that be patriotic?

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I thought the national motto was "E pluribus unum" which means "Out of many, one". When did this change?

Della Level 6 Aug 14, 2019

It was, before it was changed during the Cold War to the (apparently) more American 'In God We Trust'. I believe it was an attempt to point out the difference between the US and those foul, atheistc Russians.

Was E pluribus unum done away with? I thought we adopted a second motto mid 1950's as a part of McCarthyism.

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What is the motto?

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This is part of the Christian Nationalism movement. They conflate religion with patriotism.

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It was changed in the 50s, the motto used to be "e pluribus unum", but in 1957 it was decided that new motto would be in god we trust, time to change it to one that doesn't violate the firat amendment

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I wonder what we trust God to do.

MrDMC Level 7 Aug 14, 2019

He’s great at genocide.

If you generously add parmesan, oregano, add a glass of merlot, God can be pretty good in the evening served with the right bread.

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And in Pennsylvania from our little online newspaper "Pennsylvania Capital Star":

TItle: Tuesday Morning Coffee - Well at least it's not 'In God We Trust?'

Good Tuesday Morning, Fellow Seekers.
So what's wrong with a little civics education? A bill sponsored by a Jefferson County lawmaker has us asking some questions.

This week, state Rep. Cris Dush, whose previous contributions to the Big Book O'Bad Ideas includes a bill calling for the impeachment of four Democratic members of the state Supreme Court, began looking for cosponsors for his plan to mandate the posting of the preamble to the Pennsylvania Constitution "in the entrance of every school building where state funding is provided to the district or institution of higher education."

Again, what could be wrong with a little civics education?

In a word, God.
Here is our PA Preamble: WE, the people of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, grateful to Almighty God for the blessings of civil and religious liberty, and humbly invoking His guidance, do ordain and establish this Constitution.

In his co-sponsorship memo, Dush says his proposal is all about making sure the kids know their history.

"Constitutional republics are unique in world history. While other forms of government have relied on the use of force for a dictator, monarch or totalitarian organization to make subjects of the people, constitutional republics rely on a written declaration of The People as to what form of government they will accept," he writes, later borrowing a bon mot from James Madison to lament that "the distinction is not 'so well understood in America.'"

We could argue that the confusion starts at the top, but no matter.

Posting that thicket of constitutional verbiage in school entryways will serve as a "daily remind[er] [to] students preparing to take their place in this republic of the power and responsibility they will assume," when they finish their educational careers, Dush wrote in his co-sponsorship memo.
Again, we're all for a little civics education. It's important to understand the separation of powers; to learn the ins-and-outs of the legislative process, and to fully comprehend how a bill becomes law.

And nowhere is that more gracefully set down than the preamble to the Constitution of the United States of America:

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

We just have to ask why, if it's a reminder of their public responsibilities, that model of verbal economy isn't worthy of being posted in the entryway of every school building across our fair Commonwealth? Why, we ask, might it not be just as inspirational and educational to scores of Pennsylvania students?

What one word, we cannot help but wonder, might be missing?

God only knows.

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You know, the staffs of these politicians are so predictable.
They're so polite and want to thank you for sharing your support of
whatever they're doing that you agree with, even when you're from
out-of-state.
Not so much when you don't agree and are from out-of-state.
Oh, they're still "polite", but they tell you (in so many words) that since you aren't a constituent, it really doesn't matter what you think.
Doesn't matter which party either.

It happens in-state as well. I gave up on contacting representatives because it doesn't take long to learn who they represent in most states.

@Holysocks Also true. They all know who I am. I can tell by how they talk to me.

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Going back to the 50's Bullshit

bobwjr Level 10 Aug 14, 2019

MAGA

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Ask not why. Ask what we can do to help stop it.

It does not promote patriotism but we know why this is happening. Our fight has started. FFRF is at the forefront of beating this back. Let us all support FFRF.

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Because in their eyes patriotism equals religion and there is no difference.

Not just religion, Christianity and only Christianity.
We want even get into protestant or catholic.
Then into the many cults of Protestantism.

@jlynn37 correct!!

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