@ScienceBiker Thank you. And, quite frankly, I don't believe it does.

Oh, do you never celebrate Christmas with family or friends? Halloween?

Just because we're Atheists, we're supposed to be party poopers?

no, i don't ever, not that its any of your concern. I have parties when I choose. if your somewhere celebrating religion, you just might hear stuff about religion. if you go in a bar/pub you might just see alcohol. you can't have it both ways. I have been to funerals etc but I don't kick off when they start talking about god etc. its called tact. I am no party pooper just because I don't conform.

@LeighShelton
That's an epic "dick pic"...lol

it's me lol sandy. when we had had our fun we went and stood on the pear near this looking down on it. as we watched people were looking and giving it a wide birth for quite a while till some kids came and jumped all over it lol.

Why not celebrate? Any reason to celebrate is a good reason.

it can be @atheist as can wood, water and buildings and even sand to the people who believe such drivel.

its true but how you can have holes in water unless you freeze it is beyond me.

I sure think he can! We have a right to mythology and can fully participate in ritual just as much as anyone else. We can do that and still know the difference between fact and fiction. If there is a group who should be scolded for trying to have it both ways, it's the people who live in a fully modern, technologically and medically advanced society who continue to think magic is real and creationism is historical fact.

its possible @atheist lol. of course you can anytime @MrLink as that's the beauty of being a free thinker.

@atheist i don't disagree with that. But simutaneously we can't let the theists continue to act as though they own the holiday calendar. Christians stole most of their holidays from pagans. Secularists, scientists and people of reason and ethics are fully entitled to the family feasts, gatherings and dinner table celebrations. I won't concede that ground to the christians! And I don't care whose birthday they think it is.

I agree with you @MrLink. I like to be a bit spontaneous and do something really wacky like party when I feel like it or buy something for me or someone else when it seems a good time not interested in trying to keep up with any of these religious fucking idiots, especially with my own fairy tale. fuck tradition it stinks.

@MrLink I agree! I think it’s rude for people to tell anybody what they should or should not, or can or cannot celebrate at any time and in any place.

I also think its rude @BlueWave and have been to traditional things once in a while but mainly for family. I just think going to a party about Patrick and bitching about people talking about religion is as ridiculous as being tea total, going into a pub/bar and moaning that there serving alcohol. this was my gripe in the first place. I don't give a monkies what other people do as long as they don't hurt other things and people doing it.

@LeighShelton I didn't see the HOLIDAY as the reason for the lamenting. I think sciencebiker was lamenting the proselytizing. And, I don't blame him. But what is getting me more and more these days is people's combativeness with their "friends," their neighbors, their community members.

I think mainly because of social media @BlueWave there is no sense of community like when I was young. people also use the words friend, I love you, I hate them, so flippantly and they mean none of it. they are all busy telling anyone who will listen and people they would not normally tell there very personal information on the internet but ignoring real people who are neighbours.

Thought he was a Buddhist monk?

@ScienceBiker, still much closer than a zombie.

@TaraMarshall is it?
I mean here we are thousands of years since Jesus existed (supposedly) and his followers are just as empty headed as ever... Almost as if something has been feasting on their brains...

@NeoXerops, yeah, but this is about Jesus himself, who is supposed to have come through his death cognitively intact...

@Fudomyoo, that's just speculation, and not supported by any real evidence the last I checked. My BA is in Anthropology and Religious Studies, though I must admit, I'm not up on my journals in those fields lately. I've had to educate myself in immunology so my doctors don't inadvertently kill me.

Ghoul?

@RavenCT, a ghoul is an evil spirit that hangs around tombs to eat the dead, and sometimes the mourners who visit them.

@atheist, but no one is going to confuse Little Red Riding Hood and Snow White, and both are equally fantasy.