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Yesterday I was reading a psychology book about wickedness and hate. The author started by a review of the Evolution Theory. I can say I felt more atheist than agnostic ! It makes sense to me. No god. No creator. Just logic.

Nathalie_Quebec 6 Aug 24
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The more logic attempts to define the nature of the Universe, the more it starts sounding like magic.
The faster an object travels, the shorter the distance becomes.
Atoms existing in two places at one.
The Dead and Alive cat in the box.
No shortage of the unexplained.
This does not mean there is a God, of course.
But it points to the limits of logic, imo.

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Well, if by definition agnostics have the courage to reject the easily accepted conventional wisdom of their culture and seek the truth, then they have to immediately become atheists and even antitheists. Why? Because the conclusion of the non-existence of a god is reached at by reason. I will give you two examples. We cannot see, and probably we will never see, the center of the earth or the center of our sun or of any star for that matter. But we KNOW that the center of the earth is made of a solid incandescent ball of iron, and we KNOW that at the center of the sun lighter matter like hydrogen is being fused into heavier matter (helium, carbon, oxygen, etc.) We know these things because, given all the indications, and using REASON, we can CONFIDENTLY get to these conclusions. The brain is another example: there is no way for our brains, enclosed in our craniums, to know anything at all, if not by using the information received from the outside though our senses. And with that information the brain REASONS that the outside exists. This same method can be used to reason that, given all the indications, a god, just like the one described in the Bible, cannot exists, and instead, there are plenty of indications that god is a human invention. Anyone honestly seeking the truth, should be able to accept the conclusion arrived at by reason.

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The current evidence seems to show that we are a very small part of this vast universe of which we know very little about at all. For want of knowledge and control people simply started making things up.

Did you make that up? Really, we don't even know whats at the bottom of the sea.

@PondartIncbendog Did I make it up? I am claiming very little and saying that others make things up. I agree with you that we do not know what's at the bottom of the sea or how vast our universe is as well. What is our universe? We do not know.

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That sounds interesting. I agree with your assessment though without having read it. I've always considered myself an atheist first and an agnostic second. While I cannot say without absolute certainty that there are no gods, in the absence of evidence, the logical position is to dismiss everything supernatural as fiction.

JimG Level 8 Aug 24, 2019

@Neenz Exactly.

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