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I have been an atheist since my very early childhood. I never kept it a secret and did not belittle or pressure anyone to follow my example. Anyone asked what I believe in I told them the truth. In spite of my openness I always felt the pressure to self-censor myself to avoid confrontation in certain environments. I consider myself out of the closet but there were exceptions where I chose self-censorship mostly out of fear of discrimination or upsetting the family harmony. Should there be any justifiable self-censoring for an atheist?

mindbender 3 Sep 11
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I, too, have never been a believer. I live in a place where, "Which church do you attend?" is like question #2. I don't hide the fact or lie, but I don't make a show of it, usually. I've had to have some "separation of church & state" convos w/ the school, but otherwise, I try and stay in my lane.

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@mindbender You sound super sane to me!!

Your approach really depends on the location and the situation. In some parts of the US, being a nonbeliever is no big deal. In other areas, atheists are hated and feared, and there is discrimination in jobs and even child custody. (In some countries, being a nonbeliever is even punishable by death!)

If your being an atheist is going to cause you problems with your family or coworkers, and there is no good REASON to offer the information unsolicited, then it seems sensible to keep private about it. I like that you are honest when asked, though!

If someone is happy in his faith, and NOT hurting others, I see no reason to challenge it.

Some "good" reasons for "coming out of the (atheist) closet, IMHO, include:

✔ If religion is causing a rift or injury, like if your family is depending on faith healing, or shunning a gay member of the family

✔ If they are attacking nonbelievers and spreading falsehoods (use these as "teachable moments."

Good luck!

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Those who are secure in their beliefs don't have to proselytize

People who insist they are right are doing it because they fear they are wrong. If someone asks you about your agnostic or atheist "beliefs", you might tell them if the situation is right. But if you are secure in your opinion, you should feel no great urge to convince others. Let the religious fanatics spout their nonsense. If you can, leave either physically or psychologically. Only a fool will try to convert fools

It really depends on WHAT your beliefs are, and WHY you would feel the need to convince others.

I agree, pressuring others to agree with you just so YOU feel comfortable around them is a sign of insecurity.

But in the case of certain religions, like Islam and Evangelical Christianity, proselytizing is the point -- because they believe everyone else goes to hell.

If you REALLY BELIEVE that people are in danger of damnation ... and many Christians and Muslims 100% believe this ... then you had BETTER be out there proselytizing.

@babyhumanist It has been my experience that many zealots in evangelical christianity & islam really don't care that much if other people go to hell, although they may use this concern as a cover to justify what they are doing.

I suspect they really have serious doubts themselves about what they profess. If they can convince others, they can reassure themselves they are right. They insist they are right because deep down they fear they are wrong.

@babyhumanist Also isn't it incredibly arrogant to believe your exhortations can save someone else from eternal damnation. To my mind, people who prosletize are setting themselves up as mini gods on a massive ego trip. It seems only the terribly insecure or the money hungry prosletize.

We agnostics & atheists should band together to fight holy war against these zealots (just kidding)

@Remiforce I can only speak for myself: I spent years absolutely terrified my loved ones would die "unsaved," but I was ALSO afraid to "witness" to them. It was horrible, horrible... and yet I seemed to be completely alone in my fear. It didn't seem to bother other Christians.

@Remiforce I tried, one time, to "save" my mom. She was offended, as she should have been. I never brought it up again, and it created a glass wall between us. It is my greatest regret in life, along with marrying a pastor!!

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Most Atheists are atheists in spite of people’s pressure to join them in their religion. It’s difficult for them to understand that atheist don’t need or rely on the magical fantasy of a made believe god. There are many religious people that equate atheism with satanism. Which only shows the ignorance of religious people.

You nailed it.

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No.

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I very minimally self censor. I am a Certified Nurse Midwife and so have experienced my share of women who were extremely ill or dying, or had dying in utero babies or newborns. If they want to pray, I stand quietly beside them, hold their hand and when they say amen, I say it too. That isn't the time for a religious conversation. However, when I have lived in a couple of bible belt states, people just naturally ask what church you go to, I just tell them that I don't go to church. Often, they ask me if I am Jewish. I then tell them no, I am atheist pagan. I don't do that to stir them up into a lather. I do it because I have as much right as they do to profess their faith or lack of it. They are usually a little shocked, sort of curious, and usually ask me more questions. I answer them, without being defensive, annoyed, or upset. It just is. Their opinion of me is whatever it is. It doesn't matter one bit to me. Of course, I never go up to someone and say, Hi, I'm Vicki and I am atheist pagan. What religion are you? That is ridiculous.

I am always amazed that in the US it is "normal" to ask what church do you belong/go to. That is something foreign outside the US not even in Islamic countries do they ask what mosque do you go to either.

You are handling it right keeping religion and your opinion away from your work as much as possible. Let Christians deny service based on someone’s gender or belief but that is not where we as atheists need to reciprocate.

@Jolanta It IS an American oddity. Particularly in the South, and some areas of the Midwest. You don't hear it on the coasts.

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there is, and should be, situational self-censorship for everyone about something or other. if you hate your boss you don't walk up to him/her at work and say "i hate you." that's self-censorship. you don't announce the details of your sex life on the bus; it doesn't mean you're ashamed; it means you're situationally appropriate. you can be true to yourself and honest without wearing a placard, right?

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There is a big difference between self-censorship and self-denial. I was an RN in a previous life, and if I had a devoutly religious person who was dying, it would not be appropriate for me to tell them what a crock I find their religion to be. I can censor myself in a situation where it’s called for without denying my own beliefs. In my extended family, I am the only atheist. They know about me, and I know about them, so over the years, unless they ask for my opinion (not likely), I have found it makes for more pleasant gatherings to avoid the subject. That doesn’t mean my beliefs have changed (in the absence of evidence, also unlikely).

Awesome. That is pretty much what I do.

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Welcome to the asylum. Enjoy your stay.

Censorship sucks. Period.

Self-censorship sucks but we need some self-censorship to be civil and to work within a society split by many different beliefs. However you are very correct about the asylum part especially in the U.S. I sometimes feel trapped as if I were in an asylum where logic is unimportant, science has no meaning and we are free to make up any nonsense and just pretend it is real.

@mindbender You interpreted my post quite differently from how I intended it, but that's fine.
Cheers.

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Not just for atheists. We all need to self-censor more. The guy who puts his breakfast on facebook should censor that sh*t! Not out of fear of oppression, but out of kindness to those who have to listen to it. Nobody really cares!

skado Level 9 Sep 11, 2019

I especially like the out of kindness part.

Lol, I understand what you're trying to say Skado, but think it's a bad example. His FB page, he can put pretty much whatever he wants. You don't like it, unfollow or unfriend him. 😁 @genessa gave a good example above. Peace!

@BeeHappy
If you say so, Bee. 🙂

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I tend to self-censor in trying times - I have no intentions of divorcing someone from whatever comfort they might grasp when they lose a loved one, for instance. In most other situations, I don't go out of my way to tell people where I stand, but I don't bother to hide if pressed. Amongst friends, I can be downright snarky when discussing any flavor of woo, but in 'polite' company I am usually quietly dismissive.

Awesome.

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We need to do what works best for us as individuals . Like you I am open about it , if it comes up , but , for the most part , religion is not a topic that just pops up .

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Location is a consideration. A secular country is favorable, but even then there are places that you must keep the mouth closed. The religious are mentally ill and must be treated as such. So, no self censoring is necessary, but awareness of the situation and your place in it is vital. GROG

GROG Level 6 Sep 11, 2019
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