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My partner says that my labeling religious people "delusional" (which has mental health connotations), lets them off the hook. Rather, he says, we should say they're willfully ignorant or some similar expression that holds them accountable for their irrationality. While I can see my partner's point, I can't shake the notion that for an adult to continue to believe the nonsense that religions teach (virgin births, blessed trinities, resurrections from the dead, eternal reward or punishment, angels, demons, etc.) is a form of insanity. Your thoughts?

Rob48 7 Sep 19
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Claiming the existence of an entity not proven by any rational methods is something I'd consider to be a delusion. I even feel trauma is an element of belief where an otherwise functional being only behaves erratically when approached on a religious subject. My layman opinion would still go towards categorizing religious behavior as a mental condition which requires therapy so as to overcome the years of indoctrination.

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not every person who identifies with a religion or believes in a god is either altogether delusional or irrational. some are, some are not. people often compartmentalize. someone who believes in a god, maybe even goes to church, and otherwise behaves like a normal person doesn't have to be held accountable for that; whose business it is? whom are they hurting? those who try to lay their religion on others are a different story; they should back off and not be allowed to interfere with others' beliefs or lack thereof, nor be allowed to legislate, execute or adjudicate their religion or any religion. just to say someone is a delusional person because that person has one peculiarity or quirk does start us on too slipper a slope for me. that being said, i received too many blessings today and that makes me cranky.

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If someone has a delusion that money causes illness and they therefore give away all their extra money who does that hurt? Just themselves. Should we not try to undo their delusion? We Shouldn’t let a delusion slide just because it’s wrapped up in the pomp and circumstance of a traditional belief system is what I think.

On a lighter note, if it’ll help undo your blessed bad mood I could throw some voodoo curses at ya😉

@JacobMeyers your example does not apply, even allegorically, to the majority of people who chug along in their daily lives with a vague belief in a personal god. it isn't the same at all. and who are we to decide to let or not let a delusion slide?

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@genessa I thought it applied directly. I didn’t think I needed to point out it is exactly like tithing. The only difference being the chosen delusion.

I’m not saying we should or shouldn’t forcibly break peoples delusions and illusions. I’m saying that maybe it’s the moral thing to do sometimes. Do you think it’s never appropriate as long as the only harm they cause us to themselves? What if they are going to pass that self harming delusion on to their children, does that change things? These aren’t rhetorical questions, I’m truly just trying to understand your position.

@JacobMeyers i didn't say it was never appropriate. i said it wasn't always appropriate.

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@Winkiedink54 absolutely, and i said so, too.

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If alcoholism can be called a disease

Surely religion dogma can be called delusional

@Winkiedink54 help yourself. I am full of Mick-isums. Feel free to use any and all you come across. No need for attribution.

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They are right in s some cases,like evangelicals, but generally no

bobwjr Level 10 Sep 21, 2019
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It is Your opinion is that it is insanity or delusional. You have no way of rightly saying others experiences are false just because you didn't experience and just because they do not have a way to replacate their claimed experiences for your observation.

I left christianity because I had precognative dreams that science cannot yet explain but as a result of my prophetic experiences it gives me the observation that Jesus I Lucifer the devil, hence no longer Christian. I cannot honestly call myself atheist because I would be lying, I have experienced too much supernatural. Christians dislike my observation because it is verfied by what is written in biblical text. Atheist don't like my statement because I do not pop out some Harry Potter whiz bang supernatural for them to scientifically examine so they can attempt to scientifically reproduce it.

And, as to mental disorders: I do not claim it as anything specifically supernatural but one experience I had with a man that was bipolar schitzoeffective for over 20 years come off his medication for first time in 20 years. He had told me he had never gone for more than 3 days with out his meds with out being put back into the mental hospital. He told me he had been off of his meds for over a month and did not need them any more. I had help, or could I say talked with the man for several months. It was after these several months of helping him that he come off of his meds not needing them any more. I know delusional, the man had been delusional but that went away.

Word Level 8 Sep 20, 2019

Must I have to keep asking you to leave me out of your rants, Shannon?

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I think your partner is correct. There are two reason why people don't do things... They are unable or they are unwilling. You are under the assumption they are unable because you just need to tell them the truth! THEN maybe they would open their eyes. You can teach and train the unable. The unwilling are another story... You are wasting your breath with them.

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Pathologically gullible probably isn’t quite the exact term you’re looking for either?

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