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Ok. I don't believe that there is an almighty entity or the son of the almighty entity and most of the people on Agnosic. Com don't either, but that does not give me or anyone else the right of Bashing other peoples beliefs.

DonaldHRoberts 7 Oct 20
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so fools thats beliefs have been the killers of hundreds of thousands should be excepted then? this is agnostic and not facebook and we all have choices remember. if you don't like it you can leave.

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So don't! We have the right to "bash" the right and the religious!

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Exactly. I don’t like rugby but none of my business if you do!

@OwlInASack Then we need to be specific about which beliefs we want to bash!

Teams of Rugby players don't fly planes into buildings on the promise of 70 virgins, though I dare say some of them might give it a go if that was the promised reward, only finally realising they were going to die when it was too late to stop.
I played Rugby in my youth and many of my teammates were not the sharpest knives in the draw, one for instance thought that backing up his car and knocking down a speed cam would stop it from sending him a speeding ticket.

@LenHazell53 I was joking about rugby players!

@Geoffrey51 so was I

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I agree with you. I don't believe in God, Jesus, of any kind but I don't knock anyone else who does. We all have the same right to believe the way we wish. The only thing that gets under my skin is when people try to force their beliefs on me. For every excuse they have to believe I can produce reasons not too. So I will go on thinking the way I do and they can go on being brainwashed.

Thats the way I feel, but I do not feel obliged to be silent lest I offend them.

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But the christians bash other people beliefs. Example AG Bill Barr at Notre Dame recently.

@DonaldHRoberts - The same "rise above them" could be your message to believers when they feel "bashed" by non-believers. Why attack non-believers in defense of the beliefs of belivers when you are not willing to do the same for non-believers?

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Wrong! It is not wrong to bash adults who still believe in santa!

Mrs Santa sure was hot!

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We can bash all we want, in private.

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No need to bash anyone’s beliefs...just a silent smile and a raised eyebrow is much more satisfying and succinct!

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Yes it does. i don’t have any reason to respect ridiculous beliefs. i can also “bash” the beliefs that became a source of trauma for myself and many others.

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There is a difference between "bashing" a person vs. their beliefs. Bashing a person is a personal attack against them. It is harmful to the individual. Bashing a belief causes no harm if the belief is wrong. It can even provide a good if the belief encourages a social or individual harm as it may cause the person who holds that belief to be a more upstanding member of that society. That is, it can reduce social harm. Beliefs lack the agency to feel pain, discomfort or even joy; that is something which resides in the believer. So if a belief is silly (either unfalsifiable or out right wrong), then I would say we have a moral obligation to correct the believer and remove the errant knowledge from society without causing harm to the believer or at least causing as little as necessary to break the silly belief they have. (And yes, I am old enough to remember that "sticks and stone will break my bones, but names will never hurt me" as true.)

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I don't believe in God but I don't criticise those who do. They have as much right to believe as I do in not believing. If someone who believes in God tries to impose those beliefs on me I will argue and defend my position. I tend to be quite aggressive on this. I already had a great discussion about the existence of God with a Muslim, a guy from Yemen, that was very good, he was very educated and, although we never agreed, we both were respectful towards each other. I think that if the other person gets disrespectful towards you because of beliefs, it's stronger than you to argue.

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1860 Europe. Religious are burning and hanging supposed "witches".
But they had their rights, right?

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It's a waste of time bashing people. Its not going to make a difference until they Wake Up

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The freedom to present a thoughtful argument for or against any idea is the basis of democracy ...anyone offended by this, or trying to prevent this by any means acting against the fundamental right to freedom of speech and thought .... it is the price for living in a democracy
Expressing expletive single lines of repeated dogma does not constitute an argument ... it is simply the braying of the simple minded

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I don't care what others believe but I do really care when religious people is harassing me with their cheesus crust beliefs. I think non believers are not going door to door bashing or harassing people to stop believing in their religion.

That is so true

I did. But I kept forgetting what I was there for. So I asked for Apple pie.

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I have the right to bash anything based on nothing more than a belief.

I have the belief I can bash anything.......

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When they persecute you yes I am selective about who,mainly evangelical Christians who deserve it for what they are doing

bobwjr Level 10 Oct 21, 2019
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Bash the beliefs, but not the believers.

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You’re right that does not give people the right to bash other people’s beliefs. The constitution does that.

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Let's consider inquisition. The church burned, tortured and killed untold number of nonbelievers. Jordano Bruno? Oh, excuse me for a bit of bashing, pedofile lovers! Maybe it is time to get even? Have a real atheist inquisition?

zesty Level 7 Oct 20, 2019
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Could it be that you really mean we shouldn’t bash other people because of their beliefs? That is something I can sink my teeth into.

I respect people, as people. Beliefs do not require instant respect, but evaluation. If your belief is" theft is just fine as long as I am stealing", should others respect that?

Question---Why do you conflate the person who believes with the belief?
"we shouldn’t bash other people because of their beliefs"

If you believed that green meant stop and red meant go, and I disagreed sharply, does that reflect a negative attitude by me against you?
OR
a valid concern that your held belief might cause a car wreck?

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The instant their beliefs impact My life, you damn bet I'll bash them and fight them tooth and bloody claw. They have NO right to try to force their beliefs, their standards, or their attitudes on me.

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"Bashing" may not be the right word. If a person believes Witches and Unicorns (mentioned five times in the bible), are real, they may reasonably expect those beliefs to be challenged and they should be prepared to defend their position. Just as Hitler believed that some ethnic groups were inferior, there are unreasonable beliefs that should be at least challenged if not "bashed". I don't expect any "belief" I have to be exempted from being challenged just because it is what I believe.

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To clarify my other comment: From my experience many if not most all Christians in general are not "experts" in knowledge of biblical text and all the details. However, the majority of Christians have enought information for their decision to say "something about this biblical stuff is true" therefore having a belief.

What the OP is saying is that people should not be bashed because they accept something to be true but are not educated well to explain much and forsureably they do not know that biblical text when studying original language and meaning would point to Jesus as being "lord of host" Lucifer the devil.

However thought, Jesus is like, "Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men. Matthew 5:13.

People being salt metaphor is saying for example that a priest being accused of child molestation is "Tasty" drama for news media and for atheist gossipers and scoffed to have some drama.

Otherwise, Jesus is saying that if he cannot use a Christian to generate worldly drama they are good for nothing to be trodden under foot.

The OP is saying we should not bash people because what they believe is not exactly what they believe it to be.

Word Level 8 Oct 21, 2019
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"""but that does not give me or anyone else the right of Bashing other peoples beliefs."""

WRONG!!!!!!!! We all have an obligation to call-out stupid. Islam is the worst of evil ideas. We must stop its spread or we will suffer more of this war than we could have avoided.

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