@wordywalt
While we blame, blast, hate, cuss Trump every day, we should ask ourselves if our leaders have served us well or they have been pussies.

@Sealybobo
Agreed. We are not debating if Trump did wrong. Can we impeach him fully - including in the Senate? The answer is No. Can we stop him from being re-elected? The answer is also No. Is he very likely to get re-elected in 2020? The answer sadly is Yes.

@Sealybobo
These are the undeniable facts:

1. We cannot remove him from office
2. It will just fire up his base more, turn off independents, moderates and make it easier for Trump to capitalize on the Democrats' political vendetta. His political contributions are already surging. He knows how to spin it very well. Another MoveOn.org will be born.

We are just making it easier to get him re-elected.

@Sealybobo
We have what we have. Why people don't vote. voter suppression etc. are mute points because nobody is going to solve these problems any time soon. I think Trump will re-elected in 2020 because no Democratic candidate is strong enough t face Trump and Trump will have nearly a Billion of cash in hand to demolish the opposition. Do Democrats have the power to stop 2020 Russian infiltration into the elections? If the answer is no, Trump will be re-elected.

@Sealybobo
You are ignoring a fact of 2016. Trump won because a lot of moderates and independents voted for Trump. They are the most unpredictable voter group.

@Sealybobo
Democrats cannot remove him from office because we do not have the numbers.

@Sealybobo
Why Trump or not Trump? What is an independent then? Why I cannot watch and decide what is the right thing to do regardless of the party label or accusations?

@Sealybobo
The fact is Trump won with all the ranting BS, all impoliteness, all lack of manners, rudeness and everything bad under the Sun. And the righteous Hillary lost in 2016.

Righteous does not win in Washington. Maneuvering, experienced players, who has the money and numbers and game playing wins in Washington.

What Trump did and whether he should be impeached is a mute point. Most of the nation thinks he is immoral and a liar. In spite of that they are supporting him and the poll numbers show Trump is still a tough man to beat in 2020.

There are at least 200 Congress members who should be impeached and thrown in jail on both sides. They should not even be serving for 20, 30 and 40 years like Biden and Bernie did.

@Sealybobo
Again, we are not discussing righteousness. We are discussing the facts on the ground. I am pragmatic. I see what it looks like to me on the ground. Currently, Democrats are weak.

When did Washington care about the right and wrong? Do you thing they cared about you?

@Sealybobo
Debate why moderates and independents supported Trump in 2016 all you want.

@Sealybobo
Sorry, I was away. I enjoyed. My profile says I like robust discussions I try not to be biased. I am a moderate and like to see things as they as and not what they should be, hardly driven by emotions.

@Sealybobo As it is reported independents and moderates supported Trump for two primary reasons:

1. Yes, to clean up Washington and get something done after decades of government shut downs, bickering, infighting between two parties
2. A turn off at Hillary and his hiding the 20,000 e-mails. Trump played that well. He found it and showed American people that it wasn't hard to find as Hillary contended.

@Sealybobo
So if the other guy is worse, our bad is not bad? Trump was very bad, so we should have voted for Hillary?

@Sealybobo That is not what many Democrats thought when they did not vote for Hillary in 2016.

@Sealybobo You can defend Hillary all you want until the cows come home but the facts on the ground were different. She lost big time. A big let down to Democrats. She delivered victory to Donald J Trump on a silver platter in 2016.

@Sealybobo Trump supporters are saying he has not done anything wrong. How are you different and right?

@Sealybobo We are just doing comments. But you end up writing an essay each time.

@Sealybobo The presidency and other Congressional offices are not about right or wrong. These are not courts of law. It is about winnability. That is why bad people get elected. It is the system we have. No matter how you want o argue righteousness, currently Trump looks like he will be re-elected.