You think HRC lost not because of incompetence by just for being a woman? That is being very kind to HRC and ignoring a lot of other facts.

@St-Sinner theres no single reason HRC lost, but theres lots of evidence sexism was a big factor, particularly the ultra low over all turn out... and statistically that was key to DT being able yo take the EC

The fact is that even Democrats in general are not too excited about the large field. Water water everywhere, not a single drop to drink. But don't we have to pick who is the best in the lot?

@St-Sinner Yes...if we can ever agree on whom the best is. That didn't seem to work out too well last time for either party.

First I got angry but then I realized that I must agree with you based on the facts on the ground.... lol

@St-Sinner Right - Trump has charisma, and has never been more popular among Republicans - I don't see a strong Dem candidate.

@gater That is the truth. Don't like it but it is true.

Yes, I attended local and district dem meetings. Those of us who were Bernie supporters faced a new attempt at rigging almost every month. I was removed from being precinct chair for complaining about coin flipping training along with another chair. We got a nudge nudge from state chair's assistant basically telling us that rules require us to flip a coin but it also says that precinct chair gets to decide who wins and even if the the coin is even looked at. We were basically told to go with the national party's choice. The first rigging attempt was thwarted early. They were going to allow voting by smart phone thinking that younger voters would turn out in high numbers using cell phones and older voters who tend to vote establishment would vote by mail or in person. They quietly inserted into rules that there would be a cap of 10% of the vote by phones counted. They did not think that we were paying attention. The final software did not work at our last training session and our pointing out the rigging is probably what delayed it from working properly on caucus night.

OMG, even Hillary? How about Al Gore? lol

@St-Sinner Read my lips .. "it's whatever gets Trump out. That's priority #1." You do you and I do me.

@St-Sinner Well, neither are on the docket, and for good reason. I didn't think I'd need to amend my statement to read, "...of the current crop of hopefuls," but if that helps you out, consider it so.

I'll certainly vote for her if she is the nominee. But I just know Biden can win the rusbucket states and that is where the election will be won or lost. That's just a an inconvenient fact. And while he may not be the "best" Democrat, ANY Democrat who can win is better than President TURDUS.

I like your statement. Ha.. ha.. Correct. Someone who has a plan for everything is probably not a doer but just over reliant on advisers.

My fear is that someone who has a plan for everything may not have a plan for anything. <---- are you from a different political century?

@MarkiusMahamius I like her plans just fine. About 90% of them have 0% chance of being enacted into law. That is the way this country works. I want steak and eggs for breakfast every morning and I want Jim Haslam to pay for them. Is it ever going to happen? Duh. No.

@Writerman13 I'm just wondering if you've lived in a world where empty promises and speculative idealism wesnt how politics worked. It doeant seem like a valid criticism of any one candidate, since they all do it.

thank you

People who vote for the party instead of the candidate are one of the reasons our government is such a mess. Don't be tribal. There are good and bad on both sides.

@Boxdoc You are correct. We have to start voting in good people and not by the party label. In Texas I saw the voting machines have the option to vote for all candidates by a party line. That is how the Republicans get elected here.

@St-Sinner Tell that to the conservative, evangelical, republicans and see how that will go over.

@jlynn37 We star doing where we can. It can change a lot of things.

You mean the one that claimed she was Native American so she could get into college?
You mean the one that claimed she sent her kids to public schools, but had to retract.
You mean the one that wants open borders so our country will be flooded with cheap labor and wages will go down?
You mean the one that wants taxpayers to pay for medical care for criminals that sneak across our borders, but won't pay for disabled Veterans?
You mean the one that wants taxpayers to fund murdering babies?

There is good and bad in all candidates. I can support her position on free college. It is an investment in our future.
The healthcare system needs a major overhaul and universal care is long overdue.

@Boxdoc It is all in relative terms. There no perfect candidate on either side.

@Boxdoc Well, whoever wins the Democratic primary will be better than the current Fake President.

@St-Sinner And relatively speaking, any Democratic candidate will be a great improvement over the fool that currently inhabits the White House.

@BestWithoutGods I am thinking you are a core base Democrat and you will only vote by the party line. I personally think that Hillary would have been a terrible president. I like to be a moderate and be able to pick the good on both sides.

@St-Sinner Mrs. Clinton would have been many times a better president than Mr. Tr%mp.

@St-Sinner And speaking of a "terrible president," look at the current inhabitant of the White House. He denies science, and is determined to keep polluting our environment and driving life on Earth toward extinction. He is a compulsive liar, and can't be trusted to tell the truth. He has broken the law several times. He has been an unfaithful husband. He is so uneducated that he can't even speak coherently. He is an international embarrassment. In short, he is a truly TERRIBLE president.

@BestWithoutGods Do you know who and why the candidate lost in 2016? Because people did not agree with you.

@St-Sinner Clinton won the popular vote. It is only the electoral college that allowed the minority to elect the foolish, criminal liar.

@BestWithoutGods You are ignoring the clear message from the voters. They were not looking for a priest or a paragon of virtues. We have had enough of good but non-doers. We want someone who can shake the system. Not a single president has done more to stop illegal immigration after promising and talking about it for the last 40 years. Not One. No president kept his word of moving the embassy to Jerusalem after promising in every campaign. No One. It was only Trump. We do not want a nice guy. We want a doer.

@BestWithoutGods There you go again. What is the rule of winning the presidency?

@St-Sinner As I said, Mrs. Clinton won the popular vote. That is the "clear message from the voters." I understand that the Republicans want to whittle down the government to the point that they can drown it in a bathtub. I think, rather, that we need to improve the government. Tr%mp's immigration policy has been to split up families, incarcerate innocent children, build a stupid wall, etc. Mrs. Clinton would have been a much better president.