A typical illogical atheist ? please elaborate.

The terms are not mutually exclusive. "In a 1976 phone conversation with John Maher, Jones alternately stated that he was an agnostic and an atheist"

You Blah, Blah are either a 'Meist' or a troll here.

'Meist' is a term I coined for folks who reject a religions claims and then use parts of that very religion in order to create their very own religion with a single member, themselves, thus 'Meist'

@Davesnothere I have created no such a thing of a religion here. The only thing I have created is a label: Taco God. What it does is using this label Taco God is explain the genius of biblical text that points to Jesus as being Lucifer the devil. And as I have stated, if Christians understood the original writings and biblical text as it points to Jesus being Lucifer the devil, do you really think they would want to be Christian?

Therefore your evaluation is incorrect calling me a meist or troll. Most likely a contributing factor for this incorrect labeling of yours that you hold so dearly to the illogical label atheist.

@Davesnothere Just to expound a little further : You know wheither or not you have ever eaten a taco or I would speculate that you know of someone that has eaten a taco. The defination of taco God is "any person that has eaten at least 1 taco in their life is a taco god". Tacos are real, people are real and people really eat tacos. Atheism by defination is that No god or gods exist. Taco God exist. Atheist is illogically saying "I lack belief that anyone has eaten a taco". Yes my dear friend atheism is illogical.

@Davesnothere Taco God is not evidence for ANY OTHER GOD but it is in fact A God. And it only takes one God to give evidence that atheism is illogical by defination. Because atheism by defination says: no gods exist. Taco God is proven to exist.

Taco God is backed by peer reviewed text that has been peer reviewed for 1000s of years and the text is the most copied world record holding text of its kind. Taco God is real and really exist. Atheism Illogical.

@Davesnothere United States of America [the government code, its constitution and laws] is the religion of the Masonic lodge secret religion racist devil worshippers since their freedom from England July 4th, 1776. "In God we trust " and God bless America.

I have created no such religion.

@Moravian I didn't exactly tag you in my comments to my friend Dave, and I do not know for sure if you got notification of my comments answering your quest that was tagged to dave but in same thread. So, if you read above you can see explination to you query.

@blahblah Well I have read your comments but the do not make much sense to me. Are you saying Jones was an illogical atheist or atheists in general are illogical ?

@Moravian Both, Jones was an illogical dishonest atheist using "religious " appearance to get people out of religion fulfilling biblical text prophecy.

Atheism is an "-ism". Modern atheist have tried tweeking or changing the definition of the word in an attempt for it to be logical.

What all this "atheism" semantics does is cause confusion, which, confusion is not about being logical but rather the opposite.

I often post Neil deGrasse Tyson video about his comments pertaining to the words atheist and agnostic.

Agnostic takes the stance that basicly given the information "it cannot be known". So basically saying "I don't know or understand ". Where as atheism by premise is in opposition to ANYTHING God. It has been documented past and in modern time that people have been labeled as gods.

In modern context Daniel Boone and Kit Carson have been considered deity. These do not prove or give evidence to claim of old style deity but none the less, it gives evidence that people are accepted as being gods.

@blahblah Well that may be the case where you live but I live in a secular country where theists are in the minority. Atheist was just a label attached to non believers by theists when they were a tiny minority but now we are in the majority we are certainly not illogical.
It is much more illogical to believe in some supernatural being when there is not one iota of proof or evidence for their existance.

@Moravian your ideal of this "supernatural " being may not exist. God defined as a word of open definition and usage, in that any person could give any usage or define it in any way, whether logical, provable, real, surreal or not. 

There are some things labeled by this word that have more popularity than others. There are groups of people that give a certain definition to this word that the agree on and follow for that group. There are those that would say there is nothing in existence that this word would properly label. 

There are those that do not have evidence for a reason to label anything with this word. There are those that could never know what to label with this word. 

A very uncommon word for how it is used comes from Germanic origin of meaning to call or invoke and now in fact exist as a word in English spelt with the letters G, O, and D. 

@Moravian by biblical definition not well understood by most people is that "god" is the fact of cognative abilities with in "nature ".

John 1:1 in the beginning was the logos, the logos was with God and was God. John 1:14 ... the logos become flesh.

Psalm 82:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

John 10:34 “Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?”

We do not have to debate existence of Jesus character. We look at what IS written to understand what it says.

It is connection between cognition, thinking ability, and the fact that people come into a body, "flesh" with cognitive abilities.

@Moravian logos in Greek was about thinking, word capabilities and logic to the formulation of words from thought which is a superior capabilities of chemical reactions with in the highly complex environment of the brain.

@powder obviously you know nothing about rules of evidence

@powder belief means accepting something as true. Faith by biblical usage means knowledge, mostly in particular, faith used biblically is referring to knowledge of the old testiment .

Where as written by Paul in his writing he says faith is substance or the thing a person is expecting to receive. Faith by Paul's biblical defination is also a skill , such that you cannot just look at someone and see they are skilled as a doctor. The evidence that a person has a skill is they can show evidence of the skill, doctor performed surgery. Faith is skill.

Most people are only familiar with some paganish defination of faith that I have no ideal of its origin.

@powder First, we start with the fact that the biblical text does exist.

@powder no matter the version or translation it is a writing that is an object. The difference version or translations can cause confusion where then it could be best to give consideration to original language for its meanings and intended meanings.

This may be a matter of using a reference like a strongs concordance. But even with that, there could be bias, misunderstanding by the interpreter .

What I first consider important is, what is the theme or plot. What is the big picture and how does the big picture play out regardless of minor conflicts in details?

The nation of Israel exist. Was the entire text written by only 1 person, or was it authored by 40 + people over many many years? A genius if only authored by just one person in 1 life time.

What are some archeology clues? King David verfied as a real person not just s mythological character.

It is a lot of putting clues together to see the over all picture.

@powder Have I proven the story of Noah's ark with my last comments, no. Have I build evidence that there are facts about the biblical text, yes.

@powder I like using this video, it explains the garden of pleasure story from prospective of being a myth.

It is a genius of a story, some stupid person could not have contemplated this story to tell.

@powder I would have to find my anthropological reference that explains murder rates were high among hunter gatherers. Cain being a gatherer of vegies killed able who hunted to have a flock of sheep.

Who in history would have the ideal that people were once hunter gatherers and murder rates were high among them? 2000 years ago, did Greece or Rome have any anthropological data theories of early people from 1000s of years before Greece and Rome?

@powder I see it as perfectly written by men at different times with different points of view. I do not say that it exist as a perfect or perfectly preserved document of collective writing.

One of the major themes or call it a motif maybe?, those people noted a high regard for things in writing.

Do you understand the importance, or significance writing is? The fact of human animals writing, do you understand or have any appreciation for this phenomenon, especially compared to any other known creature?

@powder Not promoting any doctrine but would consider defending the biblical text and Jewish writtings in general as a work of genius.

Nobel Prizes[note 1] have been awarded to over 900 individuals,[1] of whom at least 20% were Jews, although the Jewish population comprises less than 0.2% of the world's population. Wikipedia

"I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. Genesis 12:2

The nation of Israel really exist.

@powder And let me go back to this topic. Do you know why it is called "word of God"?

Because the people who wrote it are the gods.

3 different references that people are Gods. With out disputing truth or fiction of Jesus character, it is written that Jesus style God argued that people are Gods.
Isaiah 41:23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.
Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

@powder

@powder Let us look at some more facts as evidence.

Although it is impossible to obtain exact figures, there is little doubt that the Bible is the world's best-selling and most widely distributed book. A survey by the Bible Society concluded that around 2.5 billion copies were printed between 1815 and 1975, but more recent estimates put the number at more than 5 billion. [guinnessworldrecords.com]

You may find other sources with different numbers but for this point this is ballpark or close enough.
Christianity 31.5%
Islam 23.2%
Unaffiliat 16.3%
Hinduism 15%
from wikipedia List of religious population

Biblical text most copied, peer reviewed for 1000s of years.

A Christian is a Christian because they accept what is written at to what Jesus character said. Yet, most likely not knowing that according to what is Jewish written, it would point to Jesus being Angelic lord of host Lucifer the devil, but that's another discussion.

So, the point is: People are accepted to be Gods and people exist therefore Gods exist. Atheism illogical.

Willy Wanka God does not have to be proven. Harry Potter God does not have to be proven to show that there is in fact one style of God is accepted to exist. Atheism illogical.

It only takes 1 God to prove atheism by defination and premise to be wrong or illogical. Proving all 5000 + perported god thingie not required.

@powder Michael Jordan, basketball Deity. Have you ever seen a short fat man fly like mike to dunk a basketball?

I would like to hear the answer to that since I'm one of those people.

@kiramea Please show us the evidence.

@BestWithoutGods Sorry, I didn't take any pictures since I was very young.

@kiramea If you cannot prove your claim, why should we believe it? Did you watch the video?

@BestWithoutGods No one can ever prove their claims. The evidence is always anecdotal or with some silly photo of nothing that isn't easily explained.

@BestWithoutGods You may want to read my statement again. I never said you had to believe me.

My father had a Phd in Chemistry. When I was in 8th grade I asked him if there was anything smaller than neutrons/protons/electrons. He told me no. I asked him what they were made of if there wasn't anything smaller. He again stated that there was nothing smaller, and that there will never be anything smaller. A few years later they discovered quarks, neutrinos, etc.

My point in this is if you never question the status quo, there will never be any discoveries. Believe or not; I don't care. At least I can say I am open to the possibility.

@kiramea That said, what evidence convinced you to believe in the supernatural and what did you personally see/hear?

@kiramea I myself have experienced things I would have to say is of yet to be scientifically discovered. The closest terminology is the word supernatural because it is things that would by current scientific knowledge defy nature as it is known.

Illogical atheist error and fallacy, science is defined as study of nature not study of supernatural. You cannot rightly study nature to understand super-nature.

@Sgt_Spanky Among the many things I've experienced:

1. I lived in a haunted house when I was a child. My father would have to go back downstairs to turn off the gas that he's already turned off.

2. Playing hide-and-seek, my sister and I hid in a secret passageway that we found in our bedroom closet. Closet led to our parent's closet. Brother could not find us, and when we went to show him where we hid we could not find it. Years later I talked to the current owners of the house and they have heard of it but could not find it (remodeled entire house and found water/gas pipes instead).

3. Same house; sitting on the stairs and watched the front door unlock, open, close, and re-lock.

4. I come from a family that has prophetic dreams. Not dreams that can be interpreted several ways, but dreams that shows the entire scene in its entirety. I truly hate those because they usually foretell something bad.

Those are only some of the reasons. There are others, but I will keep them to myself.

@kiramea probably sometimes best to keep your own counsel

@Geoffrey51 yep

Firsthand claims are among the weakest claims because we know our brains play tricks on us. The fact that a person would presume that they have experienced paranormal activity and not presume any number of logical, provable and repeatable causes is also a proof that seems consistently to go hand in hand with paranormal claims.

Because we do not think, but thinking happens to us, our brains are predisposed to reinforce existing thoughts because its easier and takes less energy.

@BryanLV I am sure you are correct from your understanding. First hand claims are real to the individual and it is somewhat disingenious to disclaim them when the disclaimer is someone who is not aware of another’s experience. Would you not agree?

@kiramea Always convenient that measurable events typically claim to have happened during childhood, but stop upon gaining the ability to more accurately document the events.

Also, memories are not fixed. Each time the brain recollects events, those events are subject to be altered by current belief or value systems. Since we know the events described are not possible, we know these memories have been altered by the host in order to gain enjoyment from sympathizers of these illogical views. It's pretty typical, actually.

Parts of the memories are anchored to true events. The rest have been embellished by current values. Then theres the, "at least im open to possibility" claim. But maleable memory is provable, case in point, and far more likely and probable.

@Geoffrey51 I would not agee. True, no. Believed to be true, possible but not likely.

Maleable memory is a more logical possibility to be open to. Would you not agree?

@BryanLV So it’s okay to tell someone that there experience is wrong. Actually, no I wouldn’t agree. It may be discovered that the experience may have a different explanation than perceived by the individual but that has no relation to malleable memory.

@Geoffrey51 Sure thing, bub.

@BryanLV. Thank you

@kiramea I too have had multiple inexplicable experiences throughout my life yet I still reject the supernatural because its unproven. "Supernatural" means beyond nature. I know of nothing that's beyonnd nature. So far as the strange things I've seen and interacted with, I accept that they happened so there must be a rational explanation, I just don't know what it is.

@BryanLV I never said they have stopped. I said that was all I was going to describe. I'm well aware that most here don't believe, and personally I don't care. I know what I've seen and still experiencing. I see the paranormal/supernatural as science that hasn't been explained.

Personally, I don't see any problem with this. After all, I'm not demanding that anyone else believe.

@kiramea You implied that they stopped by stating, "Sorry, I didn't take any pictures, since I was young."

Now you're trying to revise and qualify your statements like we can't all just scroll up and read them. You're just trying to be different and/or special by making these claims, but you are not.

Human cognition takes place due to the brain reacting to stimulus from the nervous and limbic systems. Any and all claims to the contrary are claiming human cognition has taken place minus a brain and minus a human. In all of human recorded history this activity has never been recorded, ever. But according to you and a few choice others, the impossible has happened, just never while it could be recorded.

You veil these lame attempts while referrencing science, but simultaneously rejecting scientific discovery, thought and the scientific method, all in favor of making yourself special. Which is an all too familiar trick of the brain, to enlarge your sense of self is an attempt to self preserve.

Nothing in science should lead you or anyone else to believe that the impossible, as we know it, can happen to you minus adequate proofs. You are claiming the opposite, which is quite unscientific and at least a little bit sad to watch.

@kiramea Modern information theory has taught us that information is a physical entity. Rolf Landauer, an IBM physicist, stated the case:

"Information is not an abstract entity but exists only through a physical representation, thus tying it to all the restrictions and possibilities of our real physical universe” “Information is inevitably inscribed in a physical medium."

"Information is not a disembodied abstract entity; it is always tied to a physical representation. It is represented by engraving on a stone tablet, a spin, a charge [i.e. of elementary particles such as electrons], a hole in a punched card, a mark on paper, or some other equivalent."3

So too, no thought can occur without its neural substrate.

Now contrast these statenents with your claims of hauntings, so-called phantom light and door interactions, and prophetic future readings.

I have heard these same claims from my highly religous mother, who is also a pathological liar.