If you were part of this discussion what would you have added or clarified?
"A and B are not equal implies either A is greater than B or B is greater than A."
This statement is only true in one dimension.
If you see someone thinking this way, it means they are assuming only one dimension.
Some people seem to think independence is something good and is something they want.
No one is independent. No one will ever be independent. Independence is a myth.
Someone defines toxic masculinity as "the idea about what masculinity should be, but it goes wrong a lot of the times".
I think every idea about what masculinity should be has already gone wrong, and every idea about what femininity should be has already gone wrong.
I'm wondering whether the person that gave this definition thinks that the idea about what femininity should be ever goes wrong -
or does the idea about what masculinity should be go wrong more often than the idea about what femininity should be.
When someone talks about how men should repress their feelings and emotions in some situations, it just sounds pretty scatter-brained. I don't understand the train of thought.
What do they think would have gone better if they repressed their emotions more?
"It's a lot easier for a woman to find a relationship, even if she says 'finding the right guy is so hard' - it really isn't..."
I think "finding the right guy" is not only hard, it's impossible, as is finding "the right" woman.
But on the topic of finding "a" relationship (as opposed to finding "the right" relationship) - recognizing that there are different situations for non-heterosexuality and other gender identifications, I think every woman, no matter how unattractive, can have consensual, free sex with a man if she wants (if she lowers her standards enough).
The same cannot be said truthfully flipping the genders.
(The main point here is this previous sentence. ^ I want to point this out because I think some people reading this might interpret that I'm suggesting that someone or anyone should lower their standards or be ok with rape, and I am NOT suggesting that anyone should lower their standards or be ok with rape. If that's what came to your mind, you're reading it wrong.)
I bothers me that they just kind of abandoned the question of whether women have more advantages than men.
They just started talking about specific individual advantages, but that ignores the question of whether one is more than the other.
"I believe in men [...] being men as we were created."
I don't think I need to point out the problem with that on this website.
"Every time I hear of men's rights activists, I hear anger, and I hear very illogical reasoning, and it just boils my blood because it's a setback for all of us."
Does this person think this reaction is different from the reaction of the other side? Can you not imagine someone saying: ?
"Every time I hear of women's right activists, I hear anger, and I hear very illogical reasoning, and it just boils my blood because it's a setback for all of us."
So what is supposed to set apart this statement from the other side?
A few people said they have a desire to understand the other side, but when one person says:
"a lot of the problems that have happened in your life are because society is not patriarchal..."
I doubt ANY of the other people there really understood that, and not a single one of them asked for further explanation of that.
Do they really have a desire to understand others?
No such thing as Men's Rights....there are only human rights
I will not stay in the same room with an INCEL....this one lied about his purpose and goals....some of the talk was incoherent....women tried to educate the ignorant boys... I would have shared how my 2 daughters were born Feminist Atheists and are still Feminists Atheists now ages 44&25