What are your thoughts on home schooling?? Many Christian homes think this is a very good thing. Some non Christians also do but I see mostly Christian based. Your thoughts???
I was home schooled due to slipping grades for about two years from 7th to 9th grade. I got to learn about what I wanted, but ultimately I needed a more structured environment. Undoubtedly, some kids thrive in a home-school environment whilst others don't. Granted, mine was not a Christian home-school.
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The only example I’ve seen personally is my brother. He was deep into evangelical religion, at one point forming his own church with 5 other families. They followed the ‘quiverful’ philosophy, among others. They home schooled all 5, and the youngest is still being home schooled. The only exception was during the years he had glioblastoma(died in 2016), the two girls finished high school(grades 11-12) at a prestigious local Xtian academy. My brother did relax his views and began attending a reformed Presbyterian Church, whatever that is(after 5 years in his private cult).
The curriculum is Xtian and Bible based. After my first trip to Egypt, I was invited as a guest speaker. Lol, I was never invited back.
I forgot to add how I felt about it.
My oldest nephew was traumatized. When he went to college, he fell into deep depression and attempted suicide twice. His parents hid the first attempt(cutting himself badly enough to need a hospital visit); claiming accident and ‘treating’ him with prayer. The second attempt he did at my mother’s house, so he got the intervention and mental health care he needed. I directly blame forced religion through home schooling and church; there was NEVER a break from it. I’ve talked to him at length; he feels the same way. He’s largely agnostic and now is far away, working as a migrant worker on organic farms. Finally, he feels good. The other kids seem okay with it. So far.
It does seem like brainwashing to have no alternative at home or during school, if schooling is also religion based.
@CarolinaGirl60 Sounds like maybe more than just the home schooling was problematic in the home.
@itsmedammit I agree. To be, it seemed like indoctrination/brainwashing. Everything was about religion. Evangelical, extremist religion. When I talked positively about Muslims in Egypt, that was not received very well! My brother had a book called ‘Cultwatch’. It included: Catholics, Mormons, Jews, Pagans, Satanists, Muslims, Budhists, Hindu.
I have seen it more common among religious people in Texas and guessed it must be to avoid learning about the evolution, climate change, and more of science. It must be coming out the Church advice that keep your children close to God, teach what God said in the Bible. They think the modern education corrupts minds, allows you to question God.
It has always been the design of religions to have lots of babies (Catholic, Muslim) and brainwash the young so we could increase our dominance in the world. Millions make a living just on religion. If that changes, it is a huge threat to their existence.
More common among the religious here too.
I think that education is about indoctrination and programming of children to become obedient workers for the power elites who do not send their kids to government schools and do not do home schooling. Home schooling is largely about religious types wanting more control over the indoctrination and programming of their children to conform to religious doctrine but there are some parents that want to keep their kids from getting programmed as obedient workers in the public system and cannot afford the private school system and I understand the need for this if the parents are capable of providing an effective education for their kids.
I don't have a problem with it if the child is getting a proper education.
The thing with Christian schools is that they too often deny real science and teach their Christianized version of history. Their goal is to keep their kids indoctrinated, not to educate them.
There are also home-schoolers on the left who teach their kids a bunch of nonsense.
Do you know anyone who was home schooled and are now adults? If so, how did they come out?
@2muchstupidity : Years ago, I worked at a place with a young woman who had been home schooled. It isn't like we got into any real depth on things; but, here and there, it became apparent that she was very naive, and lacked knowledge of certain things that I think most, more likely all, publicly educated people would have known. She was in her late twenties or early thirties at the time. I cannot recall specifics, it has been so long--but I do recall thinking that her home schooling had very likely impeded her development in a lot of ways.
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Thank you for your response. I have 3 little granddaughters being home schooled. They are always protected from the world. I can't help but wonder how this will all turn out. They are being heavily indoctrinated. I feel helpless. The 8 yr old said to me, "you're divorced??" In shock!! They mostly have connections just in their church family.
@2muchstupidity My grand kids aren't being home schooled; but they are being raised to believe in God and Jesus and that the stories in the Bible were actual events. I understand your frustration in not being able to say something. I feel it, too. I do what I can though. I encourage them to learn science and to think things through, not religious things, just anything that might come up---just trying to get them to question things and look for evidence.
At this point that is all I can do. When they are adults, I will feel more free to discuss things more directly. But, for now, I just do what I can to encourage them to not just blindly accept what they hear, or are told--without openly contradicting their parents.
It is one way to protect the children from critical thinking.
These days homeschooling is a decent option, if one or both parents have the time to put into it. The usual complaint I hear is about the socialization of the children, but that's really a non-issue if the parents let their kids be active in the local homeschooling organizations - there are many of them these days. And the materials and tools are finally topnotch - better, if not at least comparable to public education.
The focus of any schooling effort should be on education; I'm of the belief that all the other social nonsense that occurs in public school can often be a distraction away from learning. It may have some utility for many children, but nothing that can't be experienced in other ways and means. This opinion comes from someone lucky enough to have experienced both options during adolescence.
True. My daughter rode horses, showed cattle in 4H, sang in choir, volunteered at our children's museum, and was in 4 performances a year at our local children's community theater. My son team roped all over the SE, showed cattle in 4H, and started working for a plumbing company at age 16. Both also participated in our local homeschool groups. Now my daughter is married to a doctor and graduated college with a 3.8 GPA and a math degree. My son is 22, got his journeyman plumbing license at 19, and runs his own crew. Children can be very successful with homeschooling but parents have to put in the effort.
i think its just down to your situation but probably the best way to know they are getting schooled. the down side is not mixing with enough other children i guess.
This is not a simple yes/no situation. The reasons for homeschooling vary, I had a friend who was homeschooled due to medical issues. She could not attend as she had to have many surgeries and would at times have open wounds on her legs. She was in primary school and so her parents taught her but she still had contact with her peers as long as none of them had any kind of infection. Another was traveling with her parents they were both teachers, one in English/Science the other Maths/Languages. There are those that do it to prevent interactions with people and hence ideas they do not like. If those ideas are never presented nor talked about it means a massive deficient in the students education. If there is no social interaction then it reduces their ability to engage with a wide variety of people. I think it would be better if schools opened up a bit more and allowed a more flexible learning environment. However, that requires governments to spend money on education and not many of them are willing to do that. Sending you child to a cult based school is just the same as home schooling because of your beliefs they are not getting a wide cross section just those that support the cult's view.
I think the reason for it, the quality of the curriculum the students are learning, the skills of the people who are guiding them all come into play.
I think a lot of homeschooling is done out of fear and mistrust of society and often results in maladjusted kids. However, homeschool can be done wisely by the parents and in that case, the results are usually far superior to public schooling, in education and in social skills.
The state of our education system leaves a lot to be desired and I don't blame anyone for mistrusting it. I think our kids' education would be vastly improved by implementing a program I heard about in another country where the government money for education follows the kids. You can choose whatever school you want and the government pays that school for your kid's education. It introduces competition back into the schooling system without eliminating government support. I think that would prompt much better results than what we see right now from our schools.
It is not so good for developing social skills. We know 99% of our lives relly on the way we interact with others. The same educational skill can be achieved with just some parental interaction in conjunction with the school curriculum.
I was married to a schoolteacher. Our daughter attended public schools. For high school, we changed her to a better school district than where he worked.
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I had, and still have some reservations about it. But my own (Christian) Sister homeschooled her three boys, and they all excelled in college, and turned into pretty cool young men - now all married with kids (of course !). Like many things though, this can be overdone, and children can be heavily indoctrinated and kept from functioning well in the real world.
My thoughts are that school has become a place to propagandize children into being well-behaved, working adults who don't ask many questions. It is a place to train you for the workforce, make you fit in and be law abiding. My feeling is that there is a greater opportunity for a child who is home schooled but only if the person doing the teaching has a well rounded education themselves and can fill in the areas where the public schools fail. One of the main areas is our history. Most of us have learned what we thought was history but was actually a story about history that was designed to get us to think in a certain way. The bulk of historical books used in the classroom are not accurate and leave out everything that is unseemly.
As far as the Christian home schooling programs go, I am concerned that they are propagandizing religion to children who are not developed enough to understand the concepts being presented while shorting science and history. In fact, some of the home schooling teachers present things that are downright unreal.
many of my non-christian friends homeschool....
@aintmisbehaven older girl (17) is well rounded and ready for uni ..younger son (15) is Autism spectrum with crazy good artistic abilities...
if it can be done right, if it’s what’s best for the child, it’s a great thing. as long as the parents prioritize the child’s needs, education, and socialization. i was homeschooled by parents who prioritized religion, so i still wince when i hear the word, but i know it can be very useful.
I'm reading a lot of the pros and cons here and glad to see them. It means I can adjust my thinking on the subject. The big reason I need to do so is that in my area home schooling is done to prevent religious families from critical thinking. This way the kids will believe in creation. It also shows that they do not have fit teachers for the needed subjects.
I am not in favor of home schooling, at all.
I don't believe it should be permitted, except for in real PROVABLE medical cases.
It most definitely shouldn't be allowed for religious reasons. Ever.
Permitted? We are not slaves to the government or to a majority vote. We are humans all with equal rights to be respected.
The government does a terrible job educating children. No one cares about your offspring more than the parents in most cases.
Homeschooled children are consistently better educated than kids in the school system. Plus who will enforce you mandate? Police who are not too smart, because police depts are not allowed to hire people with iq's that are too high.
Terrible idea.
@BryanLV Instead of people throwing up their hands and opting to homeschool, I'd rather see them fight to improve their public schools.
I stand by my statement.
@BryanLV You jumped straight to people's rights being restricted. Not me.
I have a niece who teaches at a school which is run by an evangelistic group and I have a friend on Facebook who has home-schooled his two sons. He is a creationist who believes the Earth is 7000 years old. Both support right wing politicians simply because of their views on homosexuality and abortion etc., and don't really care about social programs or environmental issues. If the result of the education given their children is more and more people with views like them, such education is a very bad thing. What I find hopeful though, is that there seems to be more emphasis by these people on the right to home-school and for separate schools by religious groups. This indicates to me, that they feel the need to withdraw their children from public education because society in general is becoming more and more secular, which is a good thing.
I think educating children is not just about acquiring knowledge, but giving them life and social skills too. I believe that no matter how good the parents are at home schooling, children need the interaction of other children and the ability to learn how relationships work outside of the family environment. The ability to bond with other children, sometimes of very different family makeup and background is invaluable. It’s also important than they learn the discipline of formally learning in a communal environment with rules, and realising that the there are other adults apart from their parents who have knowledge and experience to impart.
Wrong. This is the most common and unsane response I frequently hear or read. Perhaps you could review some data instead of relying on feels and thinks?
Homeschooled kids are typically much better educated than kids in the school system.
Homeschooling does not mean kids do not interact with other kids. Just send kids out to play. There are plenty of interactions for kids outside of the public jail... err school systems.
@BryanLV My observations, my views, based on my experience. You believe I’m wrong...I believe I’m right. Data can be found to confirm any views, yours or mine, but data, unless it’s truly scientific and by a reliable independent source is worthless. In my personal experience of knowing home schooled children, I found them to be well educated in the formal sense of the word, but badly adjusted to socialising with other people outside of their own small coterie of other middle class, like-minded adults and children. An inability to mix at public school with others from different social strata is a handicap to becoming a well adjusted adult who can empathise and understand how others live. I assume from your vigorous defence that you are one of the parents who have decided to go down that route, and are either home educating or have already done so. If you found that the public education system was inadequate I can understand that decision, but advocating it for all is not a solution which is either feasible or desirable. The public education system needs to be doing its job properly in educating all children, if it isn’t then it’s failings need to be addressed and improved. Btw...I don’t really like you telling me that not only am I wrong..which is fine we have a difference of opinion, but that my response is insane...that is insulting and unnecessary. I suggest you use more moderate language and tone, and if you are indeed educating your children, when and how to disagree without causing offence.
@Marionville Why is it not feasible or desirable? Based on what?
I did not say your response was insane. Please reread.
And you are wrong. You typed a lot but failed to prove how school is the only place children interact.
I did not insult or attack you personally. I did attack your incorrect viewpoint.
@BryanLV Not everyone lives in a suburban setting where you can just send kids out to play. Where I grew up there were a few kids in the neighborhood but they were not close by. Church and school were our social venues.
@BryanLV Unsane/insane ...you are using semantics here, your meaning is quite clear and is not meant as a compliment. You think I’m incorrect ..fine, touché! End of discussion then as there is nowhere else to go, you tell me I don’t produce any proof of my assertions but neither do you. Continually telling people they are wrong does not make you right...I didn’t at any time say you were wrong, just unconvincing in your argument. Present your proof and I may be open to persuasion, unlike you my mind is not closed to evidence.
@WilliamFleming In rural Utah kids still all meet up in the snow. Also in Ohio we played outside in the cold all the time.
@Marionville Unsane just means your view is a bit off from reality.
You are incorrectly attacking peoples way of life. Communal learning?
Why do you feel and state that a school is the only place to gain social skills? So homeschooled children have no social skills?
@Marionville These are incendiary remarks you are making.
@BryanLV I know the meaning of the word..do not be patronising, I didn’t say all home schooled children had no social skills, I’m sure some do, depending on the background and social circle of the parents, or that state schools were the only place to learn them. What I did say was that home schooled children have less opportunity to mix with and become friends with children from different backgrounds. I am not attacking anyone, I’m not saying they should be banned, just that they are a less desirable way of educating children in my opinion. It would not be feasible for every child to be home educated, therefore we must strive to make the public education system the best it can possibly be. I believe that home schooling is just a distraction from that.
@BryanLV I’d love to know which remark is likely to start a fire!
@Marionville You do know that dictionaries and thesaurus are readily available online and for free!
You can try to mock and make disingenuous remarks about my words, but there are hard statistics about the things you are discussing.
It may be wise to simply educate yourself on the topic before pontificating about it.
@BryanLV That’s right...attack the person when you can’t win the argument. You really are a patronising and insulting young man with no argument to make, just able to make ludicrous and ineffectual statements about my education and knowledge of vocabulary, which you can’t really know anything about.
I am friends with a couple that did home schooling. The mother was stay at home and wanted to do this for her 2 kids. When the daughter got to middle school age she enrolled her in the local school. The biggest problem was her son who is extremely autistic and could not fit in with other kids. Our school (K-12) school is small and has no special ed. We do have a mentoring program here so an adult, male mentor was found for the son and he helped the child. A small, private school has been formed so the son started with this school. The mother is agnostic and the father is liberal Catholic so it was not about religion.
There are a myriad of reasons so it is not a B & W issue.
@BryanLV I said nothing about snow. Nobody had to send me out to play when I was little—I was in and out all the time but there were no other kids around. I played with kids at school, or at church.
Nothing wrong with home schooling if it's done right. The PROBLEM is that the phony "christians" (and now our pandering government) are PUSHING home schooling as a way to rid themselves of public education and replace it with religious/corporate schools of propaganda. MUCH easier to control the "poorly educated" and "happily stupid" population.
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When done well it is superior education. I have some cousins that were homeschooled by religiously extreme parents who are very successful and seem to have had a superior education aside from my views on the religious aspect of it. I think it would be hard to do it well socialization wise without church. Socialization is one of the things gained from school, arguably more important than the education itself.
I was raised very anti American society, kid factory (school) culture. Opposite the Christian view of it though. They think it's not Christian enough. I was taught it was too much. I considered homeschooling to avoid the right wing religious influence. I'm glad I did not. I'm pretty extremely antisocial and would not have done it well. Also I think they are better off being exposed to all that from the beginning with me at home to guide them through it.