Sharing a term I use often in my little stretch of the Bible Cummerbund (too wide to be a belt.)
"Pastor Filter"
Def: The means by which many, possibly most, Christians gain their knowledge about the contents of the Bible.
As one who turned the definitive corner between doubt and disbelief to a large degree because of reading the entire Bible repeatedly, I feel like I may have forgotten more parts of the book than many devotees have ever even read, and I did so without having a pastor at my shoulder telling me which parts to read and how to "interpret" them.
That's so true. The longevity of Christianity is largely due to the fact that a large majority of it's adherents haven't actually read their holy book. Once one does, the first thing that hits you is the clumsy language resulting from layers of translations that allows a variety of interpretations. Then there are the contradictions, omissions, cultural bias, ancient politics, and bat-shit crazy.
"In the beginning" it was easy to control the narrative - Almost nobody could read besides the priests. They could read whatever passages suited the needs of the Church and/or the State. Even after literacy became prevalent, Christians have avoided reading their heavily edited and redacted ancient texts because it's so haard.
You'd think that they might want to read the book that they claim is the word of almighty Gawd and the ground on which they stand. But lazy Christians everywhere are happy to let their priests and pastors spoon feed them biblical passages according to either their politics or their sloth.
One of the things that struck me, even as a child, was the immature characteristics attributed to this god, such as capriciousness, jealousy, quick temper, anger disproportionate to the situation, destructive aggression, sadism, playing bad jokes, and constantly testing loyalty. Those are not the character traits of a timeless and benevolent creator. Those are the traits of an egocentric brat. All the worst traits of an emotionally stunted human being rolled up into an all-powerful deity? That's someone I'd want to punch, not praise. Nah... I wasn't buying that.
@Deb57 Damn... You just described Donald Trump!
@OldWiseAss I really did, didn't I?
I could have written the same thing. Totally agree.
The "pastor filter" is all people had in the pre-literate, pre-printing press era anyway. I always get a laugh out of inerrantists and Bibliolaters who exult about how lucky we are to have the written word, when no one but the elites actually ever had it for most of human history. And even now that you can buy a copy for two bucks plus tax, it's still no help because the interpretation of it is so subjective. There is no universal hermeneutic, and all Holy Books are basically rough templates on which the clergy of each era projects its needs for hegemony and control of the sheeple.
If you read the Bible from cover to cover you would have not understood it. Did you use a concordance in conjunction, a Hebrew and Greek interlinear texts and commentaries from the early church fathers.
If no, then you missed many aspects of the bible which are essential to understand not only Christianity but the the environment and culture which gave birth to it.
Malarkey. It was not difficult at all to understand. It's not great book of mystery that needs to be decoded. The KJV was like reading Shakespeare, which I had read by the time I was out of middle school. I read the Bible twice through before I graduated high school, and read books on the Bible in my early twenties. Add to that my 7 years of Vacation Bible school as a kid, and various Sunday school classes as a kid, and I am pretty confident that I had an accurate grasp of what I was reading, short of learning Greek and reading the original scrolls.
@Deb57 Doubt it but still.
@Geoffrey51 The eternal claim of the religious is that any considered objection to the Bible is a misconception due to not having a sufficiently nuanced understanding (and more directly by implication, as nuanced and elevated and wise an understanding as the person leveling the criticism).
I've had this leveled at me and I have an actual full year of Bible Institute under my belt in addition to roughly what @Deb57 is claiming. I've seen it leveled at people with a sheepskin from a theological cemetery. So I'm not very sympathetic to this particular gambit.
Even if I had your vast knowledge and years of experience poring through concordances, you could still well disagree with me because I might not be using YOUR hermeneutic or might draw different conclusions even from yours. I could have used a different Bible translation or commentaries than you. I could have missed something you didn't, or not missed something that you did. I could be too Calvinist or whatever for your taste, and you could just claim it was a defect in my own interest and comprehension rather than a manifestation of the shitty nature of supposed divine revelation.
Finally, your argument fails what I call "the goatherd test". If the Bible is inaccessible to the common man, to some ordinary person without higher education, then not only is it a failure at the job it's supposedly made to do, but it's an EPIC failure in the context of history, where most people were illiterate to begin with. Their contact with scripture was (at best) what the clergy read from a scroll every week, and what he chose to (not) read and how (in)effectively he explained it. So to actually mean anything in terms of saving souls or improving society, it would have had to be drop-dead simple to even have a chance of being useful.
@mordant Quite agree. It is too convoluted and contrived to be of any use. That is my point.
As you say, the hermeneutics alone give it a myriad of different pretensions.
@Geoffrey51, therefore, without knowing anything about me, upon what nugget of insight do you make the claim that my comprehension of what I have read is inferior to that of anyone else?
@Deb57 Absolutely none. I am a presumptuous, arrogant pom living in Australia and I am sure your comprehension is top range.
The best of lies are sprinkled with a smidgen of truth.. I’ve listened to many religion pushers plant a rear foot on some truth ..while asserting a lie with their leading leg…
My attempts to read a bible (too many ‘versions’ to give credence to any one) found such convoluted statements as could be either interpreted or twisted into about anything a preacher desired.
A daughter of mine once complained as a child of a game kids played where they could ‘make up super powers.’ “When they can make up anything, there are no limits or rules,” she said.. That’s the way religious writings and their preachers/ interpreters strike me - there are no limits ~
So true, bible reading REAL READING not fetish clutching or tiny quip quoting CAUSES Atheism.....this is so true 231 years ago, Thomas Paine ridiculed the King James Bible : " to prevent Atheism " promoting Deism in his Age of Reason The 3rd Part facing the guillotine in Paris had his book published and rescued from death by Atheist Joel Barlow and Unitarian John Adams....in his book he called bible "dreams" delusions and described the human brain like a Deist watchmakers watch upon duty to reason rather than believe bible falsehoods "impostiture" code word for bible lies
I couldn't read that crap myself. I only read true crime.
It is true with Islam and Christianity that the believers rarely read their religious books.
This is a core reason that the book religions do not work. There is no god that is capable of relating their thoughts through a religious book. That is why there are so many sects of book religions. Every sect thinks it is the "only true way" which makes it obvious that said god does not care how thingsmare interpruted or they simply do not exist and the books are written by men.
If there was a god a book religion would be among the worst ways to communicate with us due to intreptation. As what we get is the opinion of the church member, of the preachers opinion, of the authors opinion, of Jesus's opinion, of Gods opinion. That is too many opinions when the first link in the chain could have gotten it wrong. It is a good indication that said god does not exist or care at all. Either way, god has no bearing on reality.
I tried to tackle the Quran when I was in my thirties and gave up because it was just so damn tedious.
It's how they control us
divide and conquer